@destraht You've been watching this much more closely than I have, so I don't have any objections.
I will leave this here for material if people accuse us of being "paranoid": twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1221410676540936194?s=21
@xxxmersenne This is why I said "tread carefully". Books by Alan Watts are good for an introduction, but staying there is death. They are analogous to most posters on /r/TheRedPill. Don't forget that Alan Watts was a raging alcoholic.
Zen is not hedonism, and that's what the Beat generation wanted it to be. If you misunderstand these things you'll end up in a nihilistic abyss that Evola warned about.
Because of the forces at work here in the West, the majority of radical spiritual practices will be watered down at the expense of practitioners.
before getting sold on the conceptual heavy lifting power of philosophy I was loving Zen, but then thought I might be engaging it as a cope; albeit having had significant demystifications in the process.
The conceptual heavy lifting power of philosophy is just that, a tool. These concepts are useful for understanding what's going on in the world (Evola stresses the importance of knowing the consequences of your actions), but they will not help you attain a state of ultimate freedom. You will eventually have to lessen your grip.
I don’t know if it’s the McMindfulness type but I generally fucked with Alan Watts, The Mumonkan & Zhuang Zhi then eventually Budji-Zen (the absolute core of the issue of this thread) & a slightly compensatory Myokonin Zen.
Alan Watts is a great introduction point, but it's just the beginning. Understanding and resonating with Alan Watts is equivalent to the first axiom of Zen: "personally accept the completeness of present actuality." Only then can you proceed to the second and third axioms.
The Mumonkan as well as the Blue Cliff Record are very, very high level texts. I would caution making judgements about them too early. There are conceptual frameworks needed to understand the majority of these koans, and these frameworks themselves need explanation. For example, three phrase answers, arrowpoints meeting, breaking in and crashing out...
I wanted a something that would permit me to take it on completely; but I guess that’s a paradoxial negation of Budji-Zen in which the central principle is “No business” aka ‘No special method’ involved.
I'm not familiar with Budji-Zen, but common to most types of Mahayana Buddhism (Chan Zen) is the idea that there is "no work to be done." And yet, realizing that requires a bit of subtle work (apparently). I've found that this "work" has been best articulated by Xuansha in his Three Axioms.Read More
@destraht I refuse to shell out on these fucking masks but I'm well stocked up on canned food, gas, and 9mm. It's a 2hr drive for me to get to the farm with 300 acres surrounding us (SE US). If SHTF @GayLubeOil and others are welcome, depending on their philosophical orientations, of course.
First of all, I'm sure most of us can relate to the dynamic of your current living environment. I assume you're stuck because of finances. If so, keep your head down and get into a good school or alternatively develop the financial means to leave. Your physiology is distinctly aware of the problem, and I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to fix it purely on the physical plane without having to mentally torture yourself.
In Zen there are Three Axioms (Xuansha), in linear order with last axiom ending in Enlightenment. I'll leave you to look them up if you want, but I think you really need to hear the second axiom: "returning to causality and attending to effects, not sticking to the principle of constant oneness."
If you ignore causality and do not tend to effects, you will destroy yourself. If you constantly think about oneness / transcending, you will destroy yourself. With strenuous effort in this area, you're only digging a deeper hole.
(By the way, you're not going to change your family any time soon. In fact, in your own unique way you've already alluded to the possibility of hurting them, and from my experience that is a real possibility. Trying to change them now is a lose/lose scenario. You need to center yourself before doing anything; there's no use in spreading your existential dumpster fire in their lives.)
Secondly, there's no "MegaMind OGs" with shortcuts to the state you desire. As @itiswr1tten already said, it's a process. However, rather than just acknowledging that it's a process, I think you need some structure. You can shop around and gaze at all the different metaphysical systems out there, but don't become a spiritual cosmopolitan.
For example, in Ride the Tiger chapters 6 through 11, Evola describes a clear structure of the process. Admittedly, it's very high level and most people on this path require small nudges of guidance to avoid going astray. Historically that wasn't a problem: the people who were inclined and exposed to this type of information were already within a Master-Student frame.
Now, however, you are a blossoming Student with no Master. You're left with your spiritual instincts, too much information, and no clear guidance. All you really have are the recorded sayings of Masters from various traditions.
After writing all of that, I'll tell you that the clearest structure I've found is Zen. Not bullshit like /r/zen or /r/buddhism, but actual recorded sayings of (Chan) Zen masters ranging over a thousand years that would make the average hippie yoga-loving Buddhist burst into tears. The same movements here degenerating Western traditions have long been at work within Eastern traditions, so tread carefully. I'd recommend everything translated by Thomas Cleary, starting with Instant Zen.
There's only so much you can change reading about historical processes and cultural degeneration. If you want to ride the waves of collapse, you'd be better off acting "from the plane superior to that of life" (Evola).
I'd rather someone who, from a point of already being there expounds on the above & beyond of this reality.
I empathize with this feeling as well. I've found both Sufi and Zen stories to be good for this. Just be careful not to masturbate over them. For Sufism, "Tales Of The Dervishes". For Zen, "Blue Cliff Record". I'll leave you with a Zen saying conveniently relevant to your situation:
"The path is not revealed only after explanation and direction; it is inherently always out in the open. Explanation and direction are expedient methods, used to get you to realize enlightenment; they are also temporary byroads. Some attain realization through explanation, some attain realization through direction, some attain by spontaneous awakening; ultimately there is nothing different, no separate attainment. It is simply a matter of reaching the source of mind." -- Foyan Qingyuan (1067-1120 AD)Read More