@deeplydisturbed

I was raised Catholic, but lived in the Southern Baptist areas for a while. Plus surrounded by Jewish people too. So I am comfortable with many of these teachings.

What usually comes next is something like

Oh. DD - you make a good point about all that. but in MY religion, we celebrate the GOOD parts. We don't like to focus on Abraham being willing to kill his child. The moral of the story is that he didn't. See? It's nice. BTW, who hurt you?

It's old. And I am not sure why I even went on this rant to begin with. It is never really a conversation - anymore than clapping with one hand is actually clapping.

I already know much of the bible, which is what made me question things to begin with. Abraham's decisions and disturbing behavior being chief among them.

It reads like you've got issues, but I'm not surprised as you've been forced through the frivolous divorce court flogging twice. So, to answer the question I posed to you regarding the significance of why in Gen 22:11 god sent an angel to stop Abraham from murdering his son Issac, when it's claimed in Gen 22:1-2 god "tempted" him to murder him, and then later blessed his relationship with his wife and concubine in Gen 22:15-24.

The significance of the story is wholly supernatural. In Gen 22 Abraham clearly fell under demonic influence. I know it seems corny maybe even silly to you, but when else does anything "tempt" you in the holy bible, but when the demonic is in play? Abraham is completely unaware of his situation, but in Gen 22:8 he sincerely invokes god in saying that god will provide a sacrifice. In response, God sends an angel to prevent Issac's murder and makes them both aware of the Ram provided for Abraham to use.

That's it. The story's significance is that it's one of many stories intended to remind you that you can call upon god even when under the influence of the demonic and he will answer your call. He saved Abraham and his son, Issac, by showing that the only power man has in combating the demonic is through invoking him to take action. I've absolutely no clue about the other stuff you were talking about. Strikes me as an inverted interpretation. Maybe he was a pious man, but I don't get that from the story. As a parent, if God told you to murder your child, even if they were an insufferable turd, wouldn't you at least pray for an alternative, that at the least he take you or the family pet instead? Yet Abraham didn't pray until he was about to follow through. I've always found that strange.

Anyway, if you never noticed that references to temptation in the bible are often indicators of the presence of the demonic, then your catechists should be buried alive in a coffin filled with salt. Funny thing is, with the way things are going, I honestly wouldn't be surprised that actually happens.

cc: @purplehorror @JCantell @AFTSOV

@deeplydisturbed

I am very familiar with these passages.

The question is - do you support Abraham's willingness to murder his son? That's okay with you?

Please do not answer. I have already heard the whole "Yes, but the Lord sayeth in Luke 2:10 that thou shalt....."

Circular references are lost on me. Trust me.

I ask that anyone reading this give it some thought. Should you follow a religious belief system that reveres a man who was willing to gut his own child on a rock because of the voices in his head. The fact that the voices told him to stop is irrelevant to this point. He was ready, willing, and able. No questioning, no hesitation. Just murder.

And most people think this is a good thing because "reasons"

Just some food for thought.

Interesting. What denomination were you raised?

cc: @purplehorror @JCantell @AFTSOV

@deeplydisturbed

Abraham was a herder of animals with cloven hooves.

From (Gen 22, 2);

And God said to Abraham "Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

So Abraham took his only son, who trusted Abraham to protect him from all dangers, to a mountain. He then tied him down and attempted to violently murder him with a knife because the voices in his head told him to do so.

This is a moral good and something to which all believers should aspire.

Here's Gen 22 in it's entirety. Do you understand the significance of why in Gen 22:11 god sent an angel to stop Abraham from murdering his son Issac, when it's claimed in Gen 22:1-2 god "tempted" him to murder him, and then later blessed his relationship with his wife and concubine in Gen 22:15-24?

Here's a clue courtesy of the late Alan Rickman in 1999's "Dogma".

cc: @purplehorror @JCantell @AFTSOV