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Obsessing over a slutty past is an indirect pedestal; Assume she's a slut, but don't obsess
Published 02/10/17 by Archwinger [2 Comments]

There was recently a man lamenting on the Married Red Pill subreddit about his wife’s sexual history. He was a virgin when he met her, and to date, she is the only person he has ever had sex with. When asked, she told him she had 2-4 previous partners. I’m not quite sure why she answered him with a numerical range, especially when there are only three integers included in that range, all three of which are a small enough quantity to clearly remember the accurate number, and none of which are socially embarrassing. It’s almost like she didn’t want to tell him, or was lying. But whatever.

Like most lost boys, this man didn’t understand his problem. He said he felt like he was missing out, which is true. He did feel that way. But he thought that the reason he was missing out was because he had only had sex with his wife, while she had some previous sex before him. This was eating at him terribly, and he was wondering if it would be best if he divorced his otherwise satisfactory wife to have sex with other women.

Obviously, the “right” answer is to forget her sexual history. He’s married, has two kids, and at least by his report, his wife is a good wife and mother. I don’t think he’d be able to take it if he dumped her and she started fucking other guys, introducing his kids to them, and playing family with someone else. Plus, her sexual history isn’t the issue he should have been looking at. The right questions are whether or not she’s fucking him on the regular, whether or not she treats him with respect and deference, and whether or not she stands by his side and supports him as he leads their family forward. The fact that she fucked other guys previously, while he was too much of a loser to get any, doesn’t really matter if she’s a decent mother to his kids and treats him well today, both personally and sexually.

But this guy’s issue was interesting, because he thought his problem was lack of sexual experience, or even just an aversion to his wife’s potentially slutty past (assuming her professed sexual history was under-reported, which seems very possible given that she answered “2-4” instead of replying with an integer). Neither of these were his issue at all, however. This man’s problem was much simpler: He had oneitis for his wife.

He was not obsessing over all the women he didn’t fuck when he was younger. He was obsessing over all of the men his wife did fuck. He had given her all of himself, while he was only getting what was left of her after she had given herself to others.

He didn’t feel like he was missing out on other women. He felt like he was missing out on his wife.

Instead of getting everything she used to be, he got what was left, after her past. And he was consumed with the idea – the fantasy – of his wife, the virgin, and how he should have gotten all of her, not just the remainder.

While it’s not discussed heavily, this is really part of the reason why men are so repulsed by sluts. When we invest in a woman, we want all of her. Not just the parts she has left after giving herself to numerous previous men. We don’t want to pay full price and give all of ourselves for half of a woman.

The thing is, this is classic oneitis. In the case of our example man, he had placed the idea of his wife, the virgin, on a pedestal. He failed to realize that even before she met him, and even before she’d ever had sex, his wife, the virgin, was still just a woman. She wasn’t any more special, unique, or perfect than she is today. She was just another woman. Easily replaceable, and just as likely as any other woman to lie, cheat, leave, make shitty decisions, and so on, responsive to the right stimulus (the right stimulus most often including loser behavior from her man).

Ironically, in an indirect way, fucking lots of women before marrying his wife would have helped this guy out, but not for the reasons he thought. It wasn’t fucking other women he had missed out on, nor was it evening the score before meeting his wife. What he was missing were the lessons best learned through experience: that sex isn’t anything special, and women aren’t anything special. If this guy had fucked his way through a few dozen women, the fact that one particular woman he was currently fucking had a sexual history wouldn’t bother him. Because he’d understand that sex isn’t special, and this woman isn’t special. He wouldn’t idealize what this woman used to be, pre-sex, because he would understand that even then, she was just a woman like any other.

Worrying about whether one particular woman is or isn’t a slut is, at its core, a form of oneitis. Unless you’re a child and just starting to notice girls or travel in some extremely religious circles, all women you meet have some kind of sexual history, and on a broader scale, all women have some kind of life history. When we obsess over a woman’s past, sexual or otherwise, what we’re really experiencing is a fear of loss, a fear of missing out, or possibly a fear of buyer’s remorse. We worry that if we invest in a particular woman, we won’t be getting all of her, just what’s left after her past.

These aren’t socially popular thoughts, however, so the blue pill world has spun a narrative to twist things a little bit, in the form of modern sex-positive ideology. In the blue pill word, sexual experience is natural, healthy, expected, and even encouraged. It’s practically regarded as an essential rite of passage for every girl to have a wild, slutty, casual sex phase, to “experience life”, “figure out what she likes”, and “get it out of her system while she’s young”, and people today laud this as a good thing. Since every human is the sum of his or her experiences, it stands to reason in the blue pill universe that a sexually experienced woman will know a lot of great sexual techniques, will be confident in bed, know what she likes and doesn’t like, and so on. All of that slutty casual sex is regarded as a very positive experience that has enriched a woman and turned her into the great, sexually liberated person she is today.

The less extreme corners of the blue pill world are less sex-positive, but still fairly sex-neutral. Since the vagina isn’t physically used up by having sex, the sex-neutral thing to do is to ignore a woman’s sexual history. She still has a working vagina, nothing is used up, and therefore sex has not negatively affected her as a sex or relationship prospect, so we’re not supposed to ask or care about her sexual history.

In contrast, the Red Pill’s fixation on sexual promiscuity is a fairly sex-negative ideology. The notion that sex diminishes a woman, and if you invest in a slut, you’re investing in a used-up, less valuable fraction of a woman that gave parts of herself to others before you, is a pretty classic sex-negative mindset. Not that there’s anything inherently wrong with this mindset over the other two. Because in many cases, previous sex is very negative.

The fact is, we’re all the sum of our life experiences, but not all life experience is positive. If one of your life’s experiences involved having all of your limbs blown off, that experience has diminished you, not enriched you. If you’re a heavily-traumatized rape victim and plagued by that baggage despite years of therapy, that experience has not improved your life. It’s crippled it. Not all life experience is positive and enriching. And the same applies to sex.

The next time the blue pill universe tries to tell you that a sexually experienced woman is better than a less promiscuous woman, ask whether a rape victim is better off than a virgin. Nobody seriously believes that a bar slut who goes home with a different dick every weekend, desperately searching for validation from the touch of men, is actually a strong, empowered, liberated woman. Nobody thinks that’s healthy behavior. Not all sex is positive.

But not all sex is negative either. A wife who has a very healthy sexual relationship with her husband is having exactly that: healthy sex. If her husband gets run over by a truck and she starts to date again, do the years upon years of sex she had with her husband diminish her or detract from her life? Of course not. If anything, her ability to build that kind of sexual relationship with her past husband reflects well on her. Likewise, if a girl you’re currently dating fucked her previous boyfriend, but they were together for three years and had a very healthy relationship, does the fact that she has the ability to form a sexual relationship with a long-term boyfriend really ruin her? Of course not. I’d be more wary of a girl who was with her boyfriend for several years and didn’t fuck him.

Now, am I saying that sexual history isn’t important when judging a woman? Fuck no. I’m actually saying the opposite. Sexual history is vitally important. Detailed sexual history. Not just a woman’s body count, but who she fucked, how, under what circumstances.

But society dictates that nobody is to share this information, and nobody is to ask about it, and if you ever ask, that immediately brands you as “insecure” and an unworthy prospect, which makes it okay to lie to you. The downfall of modern women isn’t that they’re slutty. Or I guess, it isn’t just that they’re slutty. It’s that they lie. You will never, ever, obtain an accurate recounting of a woman’s sexual past, because women know what sells, and they will lie through their teeth to get you to buy it.

In short, there’s no point in obsessing over whether a girl you’re currently eyeing is a slut. You’ll never know for sure, because she’ll lie and take great pains hide it. Additionally, obsessing over the parts of her she already gave away, as though this woman, before she became a slut, was somehow special is a form of oneitis. It’s putting the idea of what this woman might have been previously on a very, very undeserved pedestal. The woman she used to be became a slut when exposed to the right circumstances, so it’s not like the woman she used to be was that great.

So for every woman you meet, you need to do two things. First, assume she’s a slut. Anything she says or does that seems non-slutty is probably an act, because women hide their slut-pasts. If she’s actually a non-slut, great, but the burden is on her to prove she’s an exceptional woman, not on you to assume she’s great until she slips up and gets caught in a lie. Second, pretend to be sex-positive. Act like you think sluts are cool and fun and funny and smart and that their stories, especially the sexual ones, are oh so interesting. Be open and non-judgmental on the outside, while secretly laughing at them on the inside. Make them feel comfortable as they fuck you while you seemingly don’t judge them for their past and silently place them in the fuck-only box.

The burden is on a woman to prove to you she’s more than just a fuck object. Not on you to seek out her favorable traits or to assume she’s awesome until she gets caught.

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Comment by Lipglossaddict on 04/08/17 06:27pm

I truly believe in a man that is not intimidated by a previous past of a woman. If he is thrown by her sexual appetite he's simply not the right man for her. All men want a slut in the bedroom in a monogamous relationship. If that's made possible by her past embrace that because you are reaping the Benefits from that past experience . A woman that has been experiencing a lot in her past knows what makes her man happy. And keep Him happy . And yes I know what I'm talking about . Only sexual insecure men will get bothered by this. As a female I strongly believe in A healthy sexual bond you have in a monogamous relationship . It's not just the sex it's what it does to you . I could name a 100 things that it does and all good things. But there is alwYs that BUT. If one off the partners have problems with a passed happened long before they came into each other's picture they should Accept it or leave. It's not a strong thing to complain about the past after you enjoyed it more than several times. That's just weak minded. What makes you like and love her . it's the past that made her your choice to be with. I prefer a guy that has slept with countless woman a "man slut" he won't be intimidated by the lust his woman has for him and she knows he will take care off her In The bedroom. Giving her the freedom to be all she wants to be without holding back. How F@ beautiful is that ! In short ... if you do not match in the sexual department no use in spending your life as brother and sister . You Only have one life make the most of it . Sex is just one way to express your love to one another( being monogamous )

Comment by zandd23 on 04/04/17 12:46am

Really helpful, interesting post. I'm working through some decades old slutty behavior of my GF, but I do realize she's still very much providing me with those things of value you mention.