tchower

2 days ago  The Public Square

@Osiris I’ve been in those debates before mate and if they weren’t going to accept your point based on reason and sound arguments and proof, they weren’t going to accept anything anyway, but this only furthers the point that much more.

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Osiris

2 days ago  The Public Square

@tchower

I knew I’d seen this article somewhere, but I couldn’t find it for an argument I was having yesterday that got me banned from /r/ukpolitics. Ah well, no love lost.

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tchower

2 days ago  The Public Square
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Osiris

2 days ago  The Public Square

Alright, I’ll admit when I’m wrong. I’ve been banned from 2 subreddits in the last day and I can’t talk about the following anywhere else but here.

The ECHR just released an investigation into anti-semitism within the UKs Labour Party. The investigation lays out 2 cases of a reported 200+ as proof of interference with and examples of anti-semitism.

Suggesting that complaints of antisemitism are fake or smears. Labour Party agents denied antisemitism in the Party and made comments dismissing complaints as ‘smears’ and ‘fake’. This conduct may target Jewish members as deliberately making up antisemitism complaints to undermine the Labour Party, and ignores legitimate and genuine complaints of antisemitism in the Party. These comments went beyond simply describing the agents’ own personal experience of antisemitism in the Party.

Local Rossendale Borough councillor, Pam Bromley, posted on Facebook: ‘Had Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party pulled up the drawbridge and nipped the bogus AS [antisemitism] accusations in the bud in the first place we would not be where we are now and the fifth column in the LP [Labour Party] would not have managed to get such a foothold ... the Lobby has miscalculated ... The witch hunt has created brand new fightback networks ... The Lobby will then melt back into its own cesspit.’

In media interviews in April 2016, Ken Livingstone, a Labour Party National Executive Committee (NEC) member, made reference to social media posts made by Naz Shah MP. Naz Shah’s posts included a graphic suggesting that Israel should be relocated to the United States, with the comment ‘problem solved’, and a post in which she appeared to liken Israeli policies to those of Hitler. Naz Shah apologised for her comments in Parliament and conceded that they caused ‘upset and hurt to the Jewish Community’. Ken Livingstone repeatedly denied that these posts were antisemitic and sought to minimise their offensive nature. In his denial, Ken Livingstone alleged that scrutiny of Naz Shah’s conduct was part of a smear campaign by ‘the Israel lobby’ to stigmatise critics of Israel as antisemitic, and was intended to undermine and disrupt the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn MP. We have taken into account Ken Livingstone’s right to freedom of expression, which is protected by Article 10 of the ECHR. Article 10 is relevant when Labour Party members, for example, make legitimate criticism of the policies of the Israeli government, as we explain above. The comments made by Naz Shah went beyond legitimate criticism of the Israeli government, as she acknowledged, and are not protected by Article 10. Neither is Ken Livingstone’s support for those comments.

In April 2019, Pam Bromley posted on Facebook: ‘Looks like fake accusations of AS [antisemitism] to undermine Labour just aren’t working, so let’s have Chris Williamson reinstated’. On 15 December 2019, she posted on Facebook about Jeremy Corbyn: ‘My major criticism of him – his failure to repel the fake accusations of antisemitism in the LP [Labour Party] – may not be repeated as the accusations may probably now magically disappear, now capitalism has got what it wanted’.

Labour Party members told us that the comments by Ken Livingstone in relation to Naz Shah (referred to above) caused shock and anger among Jewish Labour Party members. They felt his comments were appalling, highly offensive and very distressing. They said the effect of these comments was humiliating, denied the victims’ experience, diminished the issue, and had the effect of stirring up and fuelling hatred for Jews. Labour Party members also told us that Pam Bromley’s conduct, including the Facebook posts above, contributed to a hostile environment in the Labour Party for Jewish and non-Jewish members.

IN SUMMARY!!

A multi year investigation has found that denial of anti-semitism does in fact count as anti-semitism. Let me make that clear, the two cases from Ken Livingston and Pam Bromley that they have singled out which are denials of anti-semitism have been found to be anti-Semitic.

Do not talk about false accusations

You open yourself up as a target for superfluous attacks such as these. This is an appalling investigation that has chosen the poorest examples to use to.

Read this for yourself:

www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/investigation-into-antisemitism-in-the-labour-party.pdf

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tb87670

5 days ago  The Public Square

@Osiris Enjoyed mentally wrestling you whether it's on offense or defense. @Elvis was a sad turn of events, his toilet humor (no pun intended) didn't go over well with some people, just whoosh over their heads. It got to him. Understandable. Don't let things get to you. This is all digital. Take what you learned and live out your life in meat-space. See you later, not a goodbye, don't be a stranger.

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bambinosupremo

5 days ago  The Public Square

@Osiris You can leave the subreddit without leaving the community here, which is in my opinion way cooler.

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AFTSOV Rude Boy

5 days ago  The Public Square

@Osiris Damn, I will be sad to see you go. I never participated in your mckenna group but it did make me a little happy knowing there was another Red Pill Psychonaut out there. I used to have a Terrence Tshirt but I lost it :/

"Take it easy dude... but take it!"

@Elvis are you bouncing from trp.red too? Damn.

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INNASKILLZ2K20

5 days ago  The Public Square

@Osiris It's been real. Go forth and conquer.

INNASKILLZ2K20

5 days ago  The Public Square

@Osiris It's the law of diminishing returns and the 80/20 rule.

20% of exposure to Red Pill will get you 80% of your results.

The other 80% can turn you into an autistic creep who thinks about smp's and smv's, and hypeerrrrgamy, and writes posts detailing simple interactions, and plays out unconscious oedipal complexes (look how I satisfy all da womanz conditions), and praises a grandpa aged dude who never EVER put any of his own advice into action.

The 20% is awesome.

The other 80% is worth running from.

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Osiris

5 days ago  The Public Square

@INNASKILLZ2K20 @aftsov @elvis @tchower @tb87670

I’ll just go right ahead and give shout outs to you guys for being the ones I most enjoyed engaging with.

I see talent, professionalism and experience from you guys that pushes me to get after it. So thanks to you guys, all the best to you.

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