@deeplydisturbed

Yeah, I agree totally.

I really like that guy, too. I was already subscribed to him. .

What is interesting is following the pattern in his narrative. .

Women's changing subjective reality, leads to the world being all pixels, leads to him ending up in the 'void'.

This tells me he may have had way too high emotional expectations on women.

To me, this is a different in red pill vs black pill vs Mgtow sort of shit.

For myself, understanding more about human nature and especially female nature simply makes life more interesting. Actually, a lot of it just makes simple healthy sense to me. Humans have layers of nuanced natures. Being co-dependent, overly emotionally invested in women, seeking the blue pill fantasy of 'omg, she said she totally loves me, I have finally succeeded' is just unhealthy. It's not reality and it's more a problem in the man than the rest of the world.

Red Pill men might say 'awesome, I understand the world a little better, let's get to navigating it in a much more enjoyable way'.

MGTOW and blackpill are like 'Oh fuck, I understand women and now my life is totally pointless'.

Notice also how this guy subtly suggests simply living requires a suspension of disbelief and everything is just a narrative to motivate yourself? Total horseshit. As I said, life is still enjoyable if you play it right.

'People say they go to the gym for all these good reasons, but it's really just for vanity's sake' - this tells me everything I need about the narrator's underlying problems.

@destraht Oh, absolutely bro.

What we're talking about is sort of two different things.

On one hand, there is the advice of 'lift like your life depends on it' in the context of red-pill.

Then there is lifting as just its own thing.

I agree with you whole-heartedly on the criticism of lifting as a 'be-all-end-all' sort of advice.

In terms of women, yes it will help. Especially if you're starting out an ultra-skinny or ultra-fat motherfucker.

Actually, it points out a lot of generally toxic psychology that can surround ifting in general. Dudes need to be aware if it's really just a long-haul effort to seek approval, validation and acceptance.

As you said, lifting won't fix major problems in your life. It also won't teach anything of the subtlety, nuance and ambiguity of women. I know tons of guys who are jacked and do terribly with girls, or get very low value girsl, because they have no idea of all the nuance of commmunication with females.

I try to keep it in its right place for me. It's an awesome hobby. I really enjoy learning about muscles, finding different exercises, seeing parts grow, and it's a really enoyable couple of hours of movement and meditation between sets. I also enjoy being natural. Not buying into the dudes who desperately want to get jacked, so they start injecting all sorts of shit.

In terms of everything else you've said, totally agree. I wouldn't live in America if you fucking paid me. Give me a choice to be ultra jacked in America or just decent in Australia and I'll take here any day.

America looks goddamn awful.