@Typo-MAGAshiv

The MRA "movement" if that even what to call it, was taken over by the same people who took over feminism early on. They wait until something gains steam, then they "pace and lead" it away from the real issues.

A perfect example is thegoodmenproject.com They started out saying all the right stuff.

Then suddenly all the women are writers and the big issues are being avoided and we're back to talking about women's struggles in the workplace.

Humanity will never progress until we learn to simply exclude people. Anyone with powerful loyalties to their culture, a political party, or their favorite cult cannot be trusted. it is that simple.

The problem is that MOST Americans belong to one cult or culture or identity group. So there are too few who would be loyal to a cause - especially for men.

Enjoy the decline brothers. We lived a good life.

@throwthatspiral

I wish I had some wisdom to share. I just basically rage quit my entire life. Except for my job, my children, and a few close male friends I told the entire rest of the universe to get fucked.

I lost more money than most men on this board have ever seen - mainly the net worth in my house. I sold about 15k worth of tools for a few hundred bucks at a tag sale. I could go on.

I don't have a technique. I had pure hatred and rage. it was so bad and so deep, it scares me looking back on it. I was as close to suicidal as a person can get without planning it out.

The betrayals at several levels were just too much for me to bear. When I calmed down, I realized that women are not evil or bad - they are just like this. ALL of them. Even my own mother would see me homeless on the street if that somehow benefitted her. No joke - that's how things are with the people in my family.

My main issue was my children. I did not want them to grow up with that shit in their heads. That programming is horrific when you think of the consequence for hundreds of millions of men over the ages.

So if there is something to hang onto, it is children. You CAN make a difference. We cannot change their innate biology - but we CAN teach them how things work.

Good luck. It is not a fun journey. And once it starts, you will never see the world the same way again.

That is why I am still here on this site...

@Typo-MAGAshiv

"No More Mr. NiceGuy" by Dr. Robert Glover

When I began my divorce journey, I went through such a profound set of changes it is impossible for me to sum up. I transformed psychologically. In part it was because of a few things I found out about her mother, MY mother, and my own sisters.

In short, I woke up to reality - and it was not good.

I had already been on reddit from its earliest days, so I started poking around there. Someone recommended the RP sub and that led me to WAATGM. One of the best things that ever happened to me because I knew I was not alone. That matters a lot.

But perhaps THE thing that helped me the most was the Dr. Glover book. It opened my eyes to my own behavior. I had slowly become a people pleaser - to my own detriment.

Men, generally speaking, are action oriented problem solvers. If something is wrong, we want to fix it so we can get on with life. It took a while for me to understand how this natural instinct was actually fucking me over. It is clear now how this "I can fix this" mentality, and a playful fatherly vibe of happiness in a house full of children, can kill a woman's desire.

Whether you want to call this "beta" or not is up to you. I never felt beta - but my behaviors looked exactly like this. So I guess I was sliding down that path without even noticing.

The TL;DR here is: Read No More Mr. NiceGuy by Dr. Robert Glover. It was a life changing book for me.

@TwoInchesOfShaft

Again my post clearly stated that it was about “having to do more work = bad” and “not marriage = good”.

And again, my reply, @DeeplyDisturbed's reply, and @houseoftolstoy's all addressed both.

In case you missed these excerpts from mine:

It's more like, nose-to-grindstone, working shit tons of hours, and sacrificing everything resembling freedom and fun.

If anything, you take fewer risks because the downsides are catastrophic instead of just inconvenient setbacks....

I make a lot of money, but other than shit talking with you guys on here, I don't really have any hobbies.

That's not a balanced life, and once we reach a few financial goals, I'm stepping back the hours I work and getting back to frequent, regular gym time instead of the once per week if even that, and reading actual books.

I addressed both parts of your OP. You just didn't like what I had to say, because I didn't fall in line with "more work is actually a good thing, so get to it, serfs!"

In case you missed these excerpts from DD's reply:

First of all, is THAT the argument? Earning more money? Earning money for whom? We know who spends the household income. This is like crowing about how great it is to be a wage slave. It is a slaver's mentality and too many men have it.

Second, net worth should be a man's goal - not income.

Third, men die younger and more often from work-related accidents than women by FAR! How the FUCK is this a good thing. We need to stop posting shit like this -it's fucking ignorant and toxic. FFS! More work and more responsibility mean NOTHING. It is the OUTCOMES that motivate most reasonable men...

But earning money on the hamster wheel of misery on the fast track to an early death - caused primarily by a FUCKED government contract, the terms and conditions to which are never known until divorce – should NOT be ANYONE”S FUCKING LIFE GOAL!

He also addressed every part of your OP. It seems you just didn't like what he had to say, since he too said that work for its own sake is most emphatically not a good thing.

Again, hell, every reply that I see addressed your central point, and they all did so while also discussing the part about marriage.

Everyone I can see understood you just fine.

You just didn't like the direction the conversation went.

It's especially entertaining to me, because both DD and I have been the beta bucks, money-making mule that the people who write garbage like "mArRiEd MeN eArN mOaR!" want supporting soyciety, and have both woken up, unplugged, and broken free. Our perspectives are easily the most sagacious due to our experiences, yet since what we said was antithetical to what you wanted to see, you dismissed it out of hand, along with every other reply.

Reading is difficult indeed.