@Vermillion-Rx A lot of valuable info, thank you. So keep it short and sweet. Yeah I think the making out excessively kind of shoots me in the foot actually. Especially with no sexual outlet like you said. I'll plan dates closer to home
If she cannot go, but offers you a different day, then you're good.
I strongly second this, @fumbor, and I also tell guys this all the time.
"I can't" + offers another day = scheduling issue but she's interested
If she just gives some kind of excuse without offering an alternative, it's a polite rejection.
There is a danger in "running game" and perhaps the biggest one is that women with any experience have seen it before.
You're confusing game with canned routines. Game is something you have, and comes naturally once you've become good at it. The best is extemporaneous and feeds off her responses.
Canned routines are the things where she'll have heard/seen it before. Canned routines can be good for beginners because it helps them get started, but they're like training wheels.
Read MoreWhat should i revisit in the sidebar?
Sidebar is just the beginning.
I strongly recommend reading any Roissy/Heartiste you can find.Heartiste.org and the red archive both have almost everything. I also recommend anything you can dig up from Roosh, but Roosh's stuff will be a challenge, as he took almost everything down a few years ago.
There are other good reads within the trp subreddit, but I don't have them at my fingertips.
@Vermillion-Rx For the second date there is. Just hoping I can get a second date because I have a place to take them. There's a bar and a great park near my house so it's perfect for drinks, a walk, and a trip to my home. I just usually caress their legs. I'll try neck kisses
@Typo-MAGAshiv What should i revisit in the sidebar? I keep getting stuck on that level where we make out and then the girl ghosts me. Happened 5 last dates. This date in particular I felt I held great frame up until the making out. She kept making comments and it wasn't romantic at all. Do i need to read up on how to kiss better? Lol.
@Typo-MAGAshiv Thanks. I learned to drop my standards plus i need the experience so i didn't leave. But yeah it was a waste of time. Feels like every date recently has been left in disappointment.
Man i feel like i need to go back to the drawing board this dating shit is tough, I can get to making out but seems like I can't get second dates now. I went on another tonight and it was nice but I don't know something seems off every time. Very demoralizing. And the women I talk to at school or anywhere else are very closed off. I guess all i can do is keep trying but sometimes just feel like giving up