I appreciate the advice @Vermillion-Rx and @Typo-MAGAshiv , I've been kind of mindlessly going on dates the past month but if it's okay with you I think I'll start genuinely pushing out field reports. Logistically I think most of the dates don't work out because I either force the kiss when it's not romantic ( they never say no but sometimes it feels like I'm holding them hostage) and because it's in my car, not even in the backseat so the angle is super fucking weird. The kiss never feels romantic. But at least I'm okay at it. Yesterday was really awkward though, she kept telling me what I should do (which I lowkey appreciate)

I think the plan from here on out is to plan drinks near my house ( i always end up driving 20m to a bar near THEIR place), so I might just need to start wittling down the dates with women near my place. Go for drinks , play some pool, go for a walk, then over to my house. The question is, how many women are actually willing to sleep on a first date? I guess if there's enough attraction there's no real minimum amount of dates, which is what I gathered from the sidebar.

That being said my game during the date itself is pretty good now. I hold frame very well but I'm still a little inexperienced in the romance which is why I can't keep the women around. They're unsatisfied. I'd like to read roosh's work like you mentioned @Typo-MAGAshiv so I'll see if I can dig it up.

Still proud of myself because I've been on 16 dates now since July 28th which is 2-3 dates per week. I have a lot of leads but I literally burn up all of them.

@deeplydisturbed

If she cannot go, but offers you a different day, then you're good.

I strongly second this, @fumbor, and I also tell guys this all the time.

"I can't" + offers another day = scheduling issue but she's interested

If she just gives some kind of excuse without offering an alternative, it's a polite rejection.

There is a danger in "running game" and perhaps the biggest one is that women with any experience have seen it before.

You're confusing game with canned routines. Game is something you have, and comes naturally once you've become good at it. The best is extemporaneous and feeds off her responses.

Canned routines are the things where she'll have heard/seen it before. Canned routines can be good for beginners because it helps them get started, but they're like training wheels.