@fumbor Seconding what Vermillion says... Generally, three dates minimum before sex is on the table is normal for most sexually experienced but not slutty women. First date bang is a rarity, and when it does happen, a lot of factors have to line up juuuust right with both you and her or it's just not happening... and that's OKAY.

If your expectation is that first date sex is normal and expected AND that not getting it is a failure, women who might well have said yes on the third or so date will sense this and instead tell you no to a second date, perhaps by ghosting.

Push-pull is an important part of building attraction. You want to push/escalate toward some making out, then stop leaving her wanting more. If you get out of calibration with her comfort zone of speed of escalation, to her it feels like push-push-push and there's nothing left for her to do but pull all the way away. Pretty sure I wrote an essay on this back in the Reddit days.

When you're just starting out in the romance and sex game, it usually pays to err on the side of escalating a little more slowly than "too fast." You'll know you're doing this well when you're in a long kiss and she pulls your hands to her boobs. On the other hand, if your Roman hands and Russian fingers keep getting deflected at the boundary of side-boob, you're escalating too fast for this girl in this moment.

Later when you get several notches in your belt, you'll be much more calibrated at reading women and escalating at the maximum comfortable pace for a given women for faster results. There's no pace or formula that works for all women all the time, though... even edge-case level Chads will meet resistance here and there.

Hey guys, just checking in with a quick report on my 17th date that threw me for a loop. Went out with this 20 year old businesswoman who’s quite the conservative type and has her own pet business , pretty sure she makes 6 figures. Had wings and drinks at a fairly casual place, nothing too fancy. The whole evening was interesting, to say the least. We kicked things off with a hug and surprisingly, that was as physical as it got; ended the night with another hug.

Now, you’d think that limited physical contact would make for a dull evening, but not this time. We dived into some heavy conversation topics—politics, family, career ambitions—she was holding her own in every discussion. I tried some of Roosh's advice I read in his book but this girl is actually very intelligent. This wasn’t just chit-chat; it was interesting. But here’s where it really gets unconventional: she insisted on paying the $40 dinner bill. I’m the kind who usually takes care of the bill, but she beat me to it and was pretty adamant about it.

A conservative businesswoman taking the financial reigns is really interesting. Keen to hear your thoughts on this one. Didn't escalate as she had to go home quickly. But I think next date I'll try and escalate at my place.