@carnold03

Regardless, chemotherapy poisons the body anyway, so what's the difference?

A useless analogy when very detailed differences exist between the two.

Chemotherapy is a Faustian bargain that targets actively dividing cells for destruction. It works because during a given time period, a greater percentage of cancer cells than healthy ones are dividing. It's a close contest as the LD50 of chemo drugs runs around 1.2 times the effective dose is fatal compared to numbers in the dozens or hundreds for common OTC drugs.

Laetrile's claimed mechanism is that cancer cells contain high concentrations of factors not present in healthy cells that cause the drug to liberate cyanide mainly within the cancer cells. However this distinction has not been supported by detailed assays during further research. Thus Laetrile indiscriminately harms healthy cells as readily as cancer.

Though this is far from my areas of personal expertise, the information I've gathered from sources I consider adequately authoritative suggests Laetrile's doubters are correct.

I have a great deal of firsthand experience challenging mainstream medicine and the facts and laws around alternative medicine, so mine isn't a naive or trust the establishment take.

Argumentum ad longassyoutubevideum is my least favorite way to study so no I have not seen the parts you asked about. If you know of any good written pieces covering your perspective I would be much more interested.

@MentORPHEUS

Laetrile is cyanide poisoning with extra metabolic steps. The flaw in its premise is that the claimed biochemical differences between healthy and cancer cells don't exist, therefore Laetrile's activity is not targeted to the latter as claimed.

This is issue enough, but willfully scamming desperate cancer patients and their families as certain proponents did is particularly burdensome ethically.

Interesting echo you've got.

Regardless, chemotherapy poisons the body anyway, so what's the difference? Poison is poison, aside for the chemical differences, strength, and cost, what are the practical differences for someone afflicted with cancer that Laetrile shouldn't be considered an option in their treatment? Also, I'm curious if you've seen enough of the documentary to be familiar with the claims Professor Ralph Moss is making regarding the Sloan-Kettering Institutes misrepresentation of the research conducted by the late Dr. Kanematsu Sugiura into Laetrile.

@houseoftolstoy Regarding the article Carnold recently posted on the topic; don't underestimate the health effects, for example rates of childhood asthma climbing despite great reductions in air pollution and smoking.

To ascribe this to The Libs and dismiss it at that is to miss the real issues at play, probably by design, a blue pill to prevent an effective response from ever getting mounted.

First of all consider the population of the world roughly doubling every generation or so and all those people wanting gas.

Next, for much of my lifetime gas has been far and away the more economical option per BTU for domestic heating needs. All electric houses had notoriously higher utility costs than gas equipped ones in most energy markets.

Part of the reason was during the age of petroleum exploration gas was ranged from byproduct to nuisance to outright danger with most new deposits freshly tapped. They would flare off millions of cubic yards of gas right at the well site, in some cases for years while extracting liquid petroleum fractions as the primary product. Technology and delivery infrastructure improved and matured to minimize such waste.

However, as population growth converges upon untapped deposits no longer existing, humanity is racing towards a still preventable crisis of giant population and no petroleum to sustain such numbers.

Prior estimates of peak oil and decline, even carefully calculated ones, got destroyed by advances in extraction technology like steam injection. However this bag of magic tricks won't produce miracles forever, and gas is likely the first petroleum product to reach long term shortages.

Once you consider the hard technical aspects of an issue, it becomes easier to catch and sidestep propagandists interpretations that come along, often by design as a distraction.

@Whisper I'm trying to carefully identify a common enemy, in order to seek effective countermeasures. The effort calls for case histories of a certain level of (anonymous) detail and a robust ability to stand up to scrutiny. Otherwise, the outcomes are likely to be ineffective and even become beneficial to our enemies.

Personally, I've known several people who were fired from teaching jobs for having the "wrong" political opinions... not actually being CONSERVATIVE, mind you

Part of my plan is to map out how much of these phenomena are exclusive to "woke shit" and what is down to general group dynamics. The latter has existing tools and skillsets that men can draw from, only if they don't misidentify the dynamics and duff the response in real time. I've seen jobs lost also, over politics, religion, MLM culture and more. Even protected classes (unlike political affiliation) will get edged out somehow if a shitty ingroup dynamic decides it.

Part of my still brewing hypothesis is that things like ragebait articles exist by design to keep liberals and conservatives at contrived odds with each other, so common ground and posit never lead interactions. They draw conservatives into the identity politics arena, predisposing them to identity liberals they meet with the strange edge cases presented as ragebait.

The same works both ways, and I also posit that many who harbor anti conservative sentiments do so after experiencing a loudly conservative colleague or relative who behaved like a dick. The extra blue pill layer of political myths propagated by the likes of ragebait stands in the way of actually understanding liberals as they are, and thus not only personally better navigating these HR nightmares, but even reforming the image of conservatives in skeptical liberals around them.

Though I personally lean socially liberal, I know many conservatives closely and their culture in some detail. Knowing both sides as I do, I feel certain this is an area where some applied effort and improved paradigms can greatly improve outcomes.