@SeasonedRP

I'm just saying that the Palestinians don't want a two state solution.

Do you speak for them? They have been confined in an apartheid state and stripped of all the trappings of self-determination. Badly as Oct 7 was for Israel, was ANYONE seriously discussing the two-state solution and Palestinian self-determination on Oct. 6 or before? I see it as a case study in "Make peaceful resolution impossible, make armed revolution inevitable."

Don't be too dismissive of Africans, either. They recently gave their French colonizers the heave-ho, and now comes China with the belts-roads project and Russia with big trading aspirations. Will their models work out better? Time will tell, but the collapsing colonialist models were a shit deal for them that none of us would accept to live under ourselves.

"Israel being gone" is a false dichotomy and a major pillar of Israeli propaganda and mythology. Going back 100 years, Israel came into existence by excluding others from land they lived on, and has continued with this ever since. Even the language around it has been rigged by Israel. Israelis are hostages, Palestinians are prisoners. Israelis are settlers, Palestinians are invaders and militants. Israel is always framed as the victim and reactive, Palestinians as the aggressors and instigators. Events are framed beginning at the moment Israel looks like the victim, and discussion of what they did before or the other side's motivations gets shut down. It's almost like those classic "Antisemites" were right- The Jew will always tell you what happened to him but never WHY. Apply the Red Pill canon here: Don't listen to what they say, watch what they DO.

Mind you, most of my life, I was conditioned to take Israel's side every time. This doesn't hold up well in the internet age when everything can be checked for oneself instead of having only curated MSM reports to go by. The mythos surrounding Israel is one more thing that got Red Pilled out of me.

@Kevin Careful about your assumptions. The 50s Tradcon lifestyle gets idealized by certain factions but for many it was a prison with different colored bars than what exist today. Very rigid boundaries with harsh social, legal, and economic penalties for those not in perfect compliance.

Granted, the hippies who initiated it took things to an opposite and in some ways problematic extreme, but it's not fair to say they burned down a perfectly good system for no reason at all. Same goes for the 70s disco and coke generation. The way the religious right and yuppies swung back the other way in the 80s helps illuminate my point. Rigid conformity to a narrow set of standards, else harsh punishment and rejection from many directions, this time with divorce rape favoring the women as part of the matrix.

Pure, or seriously-trying Tradcons would harshly reject today's Red Pill men and most of our ideas and standards. Careful what you wish for and idealize.

@Typo-MAGAshiv

Saying "there's no such thing as a 'Palestinian'" is not saying that they aren't people, and isn't even close.

Probably not in the manner you think and conceive of it. But this:

there's no such place as "Palestine" and no such thing as a "Palestinian".

is a central tenet of Israel's estimation of them and they do actively dehumanize "them" (if Palestinian is a label you don't find useful) and systematically strip them of the trappings of citizenship, self-determination, even dignity.

I agree and have said many times that we shouldn't be supporting Israel with our money.

A difficult goal giving the spending and entrenchment we're up against. We can't personally withdraw their money, but we can easily deprive them of their memes of destruction.

@MentORPHEUS

Now hold on just a fucking moment. Show me where I made anyone a "non-person".

That would be where you wrote,

there's no such place as "Palestine" and no such thing as a "Palestinian".

Saying "there's no such thing as a 'Palestinian'" is not saying that they aren't people, and isn't even close.

If I carved out some land here in the US and declared it "Typovania", and its residents "Typovanians", you'd be 100% justified in saying "there's no such place, and no such thing as a 'Typovanian'".

None of this is declaring any people to be non-persons.

So again, you've been interacting too much with the "hurr dee durr amurrka bad" fag trio, because you're starting to take on one or both of their unfortunate traits of piss-poor reading comprehension and/or just lying.

This statement de-legitimizes literally every non-Israeli inhabitant of the region's interests, and uncouples them personally from any connection from the location they may have lived their entire lives.

Again, not even close. Egypt is a real country. So are Syria, Jordan, Iran, and Turkey.

"Palestine" very much is not.

It's a slave morality, and one you've fully internalized from a Master perspective.

You don't know what Master and Slave Moralities are, do you?

Well, can you name 2 occasions that the Arab Muslims who call themselves "Palestinians" didn't act like assholes?

[total failure to do so in an attempt to misdirect and obfuscate]

LOL. I knew you couldn't.

As bad as Israel really is, Arab Muslims are worse.

The issue of Palestinian statehood and self determination is near unanimously supported by the United Nations of the world.

A) 2 simultaneous logical fallacies: appeal to authority and appeal to popularity.

B) Fuck the UN.

America, our government corrupted by AIPAC money, stands alone in vetoing the matter every time it gets raised. This, and our military and financial support of Israel, are going to contribute to America's already begun crash being far worse and far longer than it would have been without all the Israeli dick in our legislative mouths

I agree and have said many times that we shouldn't be supporting Israel with our money.

But the enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend; often it's an even worse enemy.