@First-light i have unfortunately seen both sides of the coin, dating with an average body fat percentage vs dating with +30% body fat percentage, and I can tell you without the shred of a doubt that being fat kills every potential hookup, dating, or anything in-between with girls.

It's sad, but it's true. I've spoken to many men about it, and I've seen it talked about in the loseit sub all the time. Dating is much easier and more attainable when you're not so fat. In my opinion, you don't even have to he ripped bro. You just have to look decent (well groomed, dress right, smell right...etc) and have a low body fat percentage, and to the average normal girl (which to me are more than enough) you'll be a ons in the worst case and an LTR potential almost all the time.

I was fat my entire life, and I was treated like shit due to that until I lost weight, it was like a sexual awakening for me, I lost my virginity when I lost weight, fucked +10 girls in the short span of a couple months after losing weight, and I had an LTR ultimately. Life in general, the way people treat you and everything was so much better and fulfilling.

People used to ask me out to hang out, listen to me more...etc because I was more attractive. When you're fat, and I hope you never experience this, people will outright disrespect you, ignore your very existence, and girls will never be too sure about you, and will put hurdles and make it difficult for you. This is just facts bro. It's ruthless out there.

If you think nice guys finish last, fat guys do not even finish at all. It's a TRP paradigm that women will break their own rules to fuck me with a high SMV, I saw this happening, I did it, I fucked girls with boyfriends, I fucked girls who played the conservative card... It's wild how easy it is for me.

But ever since I gained weight, I'm back to being borderline virgin. The last time I had sex was more than 9 months ago, girls do not show any type of affection or iois when game them, the exact same way I'd game them when I was skinny and more attractive.

Dieting is difficult and makes me fuck up my sleep royally, but I definitely need to get my fucking shit together and start dating like I'm supposed to.

@SeasonedRP I get that bro, but I'm not getting any sexy vibes or iois from her, everything she's doing she could easily do to other dudes who she'd want to keep as orbiters. As I mentioned in my follow-up comment, I'm not as attractive as I once was, but I still retain that confidence and game I've always had, and unfortunately it never got me anywhere.

I'd have absolutely and definitely played it the way you described, had she shown some signs that she is attracted to me sexually or whatever, but I got none, and I just let her know that I will have none of it and just peaced the fuck out.

As I mentioned in my other comment as well, fat dudes will never get laid, women can't even take them seriously, and they'll always be the nice guys who will be the orbiters of hot girls. I've had this end of the deal for the past couple years, and I'm not tolerating it anymore.

@First-light I wouldn't say I feel good about it. I've been treated like shit from girls ever since I gained 20lbs. Before this, things looked really differently, and I got this treatment I got from her on different levels... You know how it is.

I don't feel very good about it because she does look and act like a decent girl. We clicked and had many things in common, but I'm just too tired to bother to be her friend for her to decide on whether she wants to even kiss me or not.

It's just being TRP-aware, I know that these rules wouldn't have been there had I been 20lbs lighter. Jfc they sure weren't there when I was lighter, more handsome and attractive.

My guts are telling me this: she likes the personality, she's curious about it, she kinda view me as a high value male (successful career, my own place, expensive hobbies) but holy shit doesn't she like the double chin and the dad bod, so I'm unfuckable, and I'd be a great addition to her beta orbiter, and if the chads dump her and she has no one left, I'll be the boyfriend out of convenience.

Like I'm way too trp to fall for that at this point bro, and yeah I've seen the exact above scenario unfold with so many more men.

The harsh reality no one wants to admit and thanks fuck we're finally out Reddit: if you're fat, you're undeserving of female affection. The only females who'd really show affection are the fat ugly ones as well (which stands true).

@MentORPHEUS I think orbiter is the keyword that was missing from the OP. I know about orbiter, and just like you, I've been one with multiple girls in the past, and I've heard, "We're just friends" way too often to not react the way that I did in the OP.

After dating and fucking girls for a long time, and thanks to TRP as well, I just recognise that a girl is either attracted to you and wants to fuck you, even though not saying explicitly or verbally, or she's just using you for attention and for convenience.

The girl gave very mixed signals. But most definitely and absolutely nothing even remotely sexual. The most sexual thing I did was to place my hand on her thigh as she was showing me something on her phone, but she kept her distance all the time.

That, amongst the rest of the behavioural cues she dropped, screams she just doesn't wanna fuck me and wants to be friends.

TRP would advise a soft next herd, be less available...etc, tbh I just let her know and left lol regardless, this won't change how she thinks/feels, and I'm much better off pursuing girls who'd think I'm attractive enough to love/fuck me.

Did I blow this up?

A bit context:

This girl is my neighbour and we hanged out in her place and mine couple times.

Today, we had what I'd consider a date, ended up in her place, and we started talking about different stuff.

As we're talking, she started telling me about how she met a guy she really liked at a party but her best friend cockblocked her and she said that she wouldn't have kissed him or did anything crazy because she doesn't even know him and she only kisses someone she'd consider as boyfriend.

I told her, "Haha okay I'll take that as a sign then" and I don't know how we transitioned into talking about being friends and being attracted to each other.

The point she was trying to make is that she doesn't know me well enough to do anything that would look somewhat intimate, and that we're only friends, but then she mentioned that she's not leading me on and it'll take some time for her to build emotion.

I don't know about y'all and how you'd perceive this, but to me that sounds like a complete fucking waste of time. So she's vetting me to see if I meet her list of criteria (she actually has one) and I can go fuck myself and how I feel and think I guess?

I told her that basically I don't need anymore female friends, and being friends can either mean because you're attracted to someone and want to explore them further, or you just wanna keep them as friends, which for me doesn't work, so the main question is: are we attracted to each other? And in all honesty, I'm attracted to her but I also realise it's early to take any decisions based on that.

She said this, "I'm attracted to you, but to a certain degree, but I promise you I don't want to make decisions or judgements yet until I've known you a bit more".

I told her then I still stand by my opinion, and I really don't need anymore friends and wish you a lovely day.

She looked a bit shocked and bid me farewell as well.

I don't know, did I blow this up? I just felt like I don't really wanna waste time into helping her figuring out wtf is going on. Honestly it's either you're in or you're out, and all the signals she was giving was just keeping me as nice guy bestie.