do you think its not worth having these kind of conversations with women at all?
Sure, but from a position of strength. Not from a position of her already having withdrawn sex, and now you're having an argument about it. That's just attention seeking on her part, and you reactively giving her said attention. If she wants your attention, it's up to her to make it worth your while.
like when I can feel a confrontation starting, I just leave the situation, instead of having a serious conversation with her.
Depends on the topic of contention. But no, you shouldn't be conflict avoidant. If you can keep calm, state your point, and know in the back of your mind that you're always ready to walk away, then have it.
As for sex specifically though, if you're already at a place where you're having conflicts about sex, then don't. Sex is something you can have conversations about when sex is already great, and not a point of contention.
There are lots of things in life and relationships that can potentially be negotiated. Sort of comes with the territory of being in a relationship. Desire isn't one of those things though.
do you think this is wrong and if things are getting hostile, I just walk away until everything has calmed down?
It shouldn't be "hostile" though. That's not a "conversation" in my book. If things are hostile, that's a matter of you having boundaries. You don't let people talk to you in certain ways. And yes, the "conversation" is over at that point.
Read MoreI know some people here would say when she with-drawls sex the relationship is already over
People here will say that because it's the truth.
Now, maybe, if you were married with kids, I'd suggest pulling away your attention, spending more time away from home etc.
But you're not married with kids though. She's just a girlfriend. She should be all over you at this moment in time, to the point where playing these withdrawing-sex-games would be a massive bummer to herself.
This is a simple 'next'. Either a hard next, or a soft next. In either case, you don't take her seriously again. Because you now know what the future has in store for you with this broad.
Also know that women shit test because they're unsure of their attraction to you. And that's fine early stage. But there comes a time when either the shit testing has to stop, or you need to realise this chick isn't that into you. That time is well before you give her the girlfriend status.
Dump her, or put her on the side, and in the future, only take seriously women who are undeniably into you, and don't shit test you.
Also, learn to keep your fucking cool. You don't argue over sex. It's pathetic. You either dump, or you get it elsewhere. But you don't negotiate - which is what arguing and making her cry is.
Read MoreGeorge Lucas, winner of the Totally Understands Women Trophy (from Mr. Plinkett's Star Wars reviews):
Life's good, man, thanks for asking. Kids are good, marriage is good, and I've got a good work/play balance.
How are things with you?
I bet that shit's self-reported
Immediately thought the same thing. Why? Because the most common reason isn't even on the list.
Half of the time, all of those reasons are just womanese for: "Baby rabies, and wanting to be married had me convinced I could learn to be into the nice, stable, provider type. But I just couldn't."
I'm not going volcel if, at some point, my marriage doesn't serve me anymore. But I'm most definitely going MGTOW, as in "no marriage, no cohabitation, no kids".
The way I see it, there's only one good reason to live with a woman, and that's having kids together. I've got all the kids I want, so there won't be a reason for me to cohabitate with another woman again.
I know some guys who do the every-other-week thing, and it seems a rather nice, peaceful life (so long as there's no war going on with the ex). I can definitely see myself enjoying that lifestyle.
This is what it feels like when you haven't visited trp.red in a while:
A) you fucked up my username. Twice, in fact. have some vcards!
B) a man can do everything "right" and still get suboptimal results. Ever listen to Rian Stone talk about how the guys at MRP end up? Most guys who show up don't put in the work and disappear. Of the guys who put in the work and run their MAPs, some of them end up divorced anyway. Of those who end up divorced, some of it is because their improvements were too little, too late. Others are because the wife is too retarded to appreciate a decent guy when she has one. Others initiate it themselves because after putting in all that work, they want better than their wives.
So again: you can do everything right, and still have suboptimal results.
To believe otherwise is a massive covert contract ("if I do all the stuff, I'll have a problem-free life!").
C) in your OP, you said:
If you don't have genuinely enjoyable sexual/romantic relationships with women, you are not red pill.
There are plenty of Red Pill MGTOW guys who are just done. Terrence Popp. Joker of Better Bachelor. Sandman. HammerHand. Some of the guys who used to populate the comments section at WAATGM such as our founder @Kevin32, and DangZagnut aka YouSaidChicken. All of them have demonstrated knowledge and experience, and have decided they'd rather not bother with women anymore.
I can understand and respect that decision, though it's not for me.
D)
If all his theoretical knowledge only brought him to a place of perpetual resentment, schadenfreude, victimhood, and a need to complain about everything under the sun,
The ones who fit that description are either new and still in the anger phase, or just got stuck in it way longer than most. They deserve pity and help rather than scorn.
... up to a point. If someone makes a deliberate decision to wallow in misery even after getting offered help, I'll roast the shit out of him for being a pussy-ass whiner.
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