@Typo-MAGAshiv

Also retarded, woman-like need to one-up each other to the point where the shit they say just isn't true or useful.

Exactly. Guys online playing "King of the red pillers".

Also, it's kind of a red pill commandment that you do not out yourself as "red pill". Rollo covered it already in his first book; Because it means you had to learn it, and didn't just "get it".

So in a way, the content creators who understand "do not talk about fight club" are the ones who keep their reputation at arms length from the whole redpillosphere.

"Dad Starting Over" (DSO) is another example: Dude gives solid relationship advice, and is clearly well versed in red pill canon (to anyone who's the same). But he always maintains a wise distance to TRP reputation-wise, and thus manages to reach the normies (who need to hear it).

He doesn't fool me, I know he's covertly red pill. But the fact that he pretends not to be simply means he gets some things that the "red pill kings" don't get - like the fight club rule, and the fact that you torpedo your own credibility by being overtly red pill. I respect that. Honesty and transparency is fine and all, but not stupidly so, to your own detriment (and to those close to you).

@Durek_The_Bald

You say "red pill", and a lot of people will think "Fresh & Fit"

...which in turn gets most of them thinking "retarded".

A lot of retarded shit gets said under the red pill umbrella. Lots of retarded, woman-like infighting associated with it as well.

Also retarded, woman-like need to one-up each other to the point where the shit they say just isn't true or useful.

Example, frequently given by Rian Stone: some ostensibly "Red Pill" guy on X said that a man should have slept with 30 women by the time he's 30 years old. Myron Gaines, the loud one from Fresh & Fit, topped it by saying something like "if a man hasn't slept with at least 50 women by 30 years old, then he ain't shit!"

So now there are a bunch of lost, confused young men who rack up a high notch count and find it incredibly unfulfilling. We see many such examples on this very forum (tag @jocbro).

The purpose of this stuff is to keep the upper hand and to be able to make decent decisions, with consequences you can live with. If you find a keeper when you're still within the single digits on your notch count, why ditch her just to get more notches? Keep her around as long as she's making you happy . Conversely, if you mistakenly committed to a frigid shrew, why stay with her instead of dumping the bitch and spinning new plates?

I'm rambling again. Fuck it. *post*

@Vermillion-Rx

He openly critized the red pill weeks ago on X, I'll have to find it again

A lot of retarded shit gets said under the red pill umbrella. Lots of retarded, woman-like infighting associated with it as well. That's the drawback of it going mainstream. So I don't blame anyone for not wanting to put themselves in that box. Rian Stone is another who's tried to distance himself a bit.

In a way, it's the socially savvy thing to do, not to put a label on oneself, and get boxed in with all the retardedness of others. Especially when trying to reach an audience. You say "red pill", and a lot of people will think "Fresh & Fit et. al.".

Either way, whatever anyone has to say should be judged on the merit of what they actually say. If I find someone interesting to listen to, I don't need them to define themselves as "red pill". And hoe_math certainly knows how to spot a pattern, systemise it for the viewer, and make you laugh along the way.

@Durek_The_Bald

Don't know who this is, but he popped up in my feed. Thought it was an interesting listen, and that he touched on some (probably) important aspects of the mental schemas that were imposed on the millennial generation growing up.

I remember a few years back someone around the time returnofking.com was active pointed out the dramatic observable differences which the media presented to Anglo-American middle class generation x youths and millennials regarding relationships with parents, kin, dating, and sex. The writer very clearly contrasted the then recently released Superbad against the previous decades release of American Pie and even went as far back as American Graffiti.

After watching youtube clips to scrutinize scenes the writer mentioned I found myself agreeing with the writers point. I'm disappointed I can't remember who wrote it so I could link to it for others to consider reading.

@IDoCeramicHoles You're far from the only one here who've behaved in embarrassing ways with females. It's past, so let that shit go.

A few take-aways going forward:

• Don't chase. Make yourself available, yes. Shoot your shot (once), yes. But don't ever chase. There's no doubt in your gut when a female is really into you. Despite what you've probably been taught, it's a woman's job to chase - not a man's.

• Value your own time and attention. Those are two of your most valuable assets. When you give them away for cheap, you depreciate the value of them. If you don't value your own time and attention, nobody else will either. See above; Give your time and attention to women who chase you.

Oh, and by "time and attention", I also mean ruminating about some particular female. Letting someone live rent-free in your head is also "giving time and attention". You might think it's a private thing, and she wouldn't know anyways, but it definitely affects your general state of mind, and how you present.