"The Empress Is Naked"
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Revisiting this ever-lasting debate from a psychological viewpoint.
And "daddy" leaders.
It's only too obvious that the age of fatherlessness is also the age of leaders that project a caricature of a dad.
therefore it relies on deep, ancestral faculties.
To add technical detail as a starting point for a deeper dive. Primate level cognition and metacognition, on the level that humans consider setting us apart from "lower animals ", is based in the Neocortex, which evolved long after the Old Mammalian and Reptilian brains, both of which still make up the bulk of human braincase content. Dark Triad individuals can perform dumb AF at tasks and skills that run on neocortex circuitry, yet some can greatly outperform their "intellectual " peers at crafty self serving and group dynamic manipulation. It makes me think of the terabytes of Naughty Dog shorts showing how creative canines can be at getting something placed out of their reach, often gaming humans and other dogs with rather detailed multi step schemes requiring forethought and planning. The underlying brain circuitry driving such behaviors evolved EONS before we clever monkies built our neocortex atop it.
It can require a LOT of neocortex processing time, for a trusting intellectual type. To detect when a seemingly dumb person is successfully manipulating them by outperforming at using these older brain circuits.
Lol, autocorrect kept trying to change Neocortex to Neocon. NOOOOOOO!
Read MoreYeH, it took me quite a while to figure out what's up, but once you pinpoint it it's self evident.
"Intelligent" necessarily means higher cognitive function activation. Machiavellianism is an evolved social strategy (albeit parasitic), therefore it relies on deep, ancestral faculties. They can do it without understanding how.
The few psychopaths that have come out in the open lately woth books and podcasts explaining how they function are exceptions, and they too can miss quite a bit about how they really go about.
Yes, naturally, intelligence is a product of evolution.
I believe the dimension of machiavellianism is independent of intelligence (re @Vermillion-Rx). It has to do with using other humans, as opposed of using nature. So, if human society is considered something positive, machiavellianism is basically parasitism. It's a strategy.
You can have stupid machiavellians. You see them everywhere. They try this and that small con. They eventually end up playing only with other stupids, because a smart guy figures them out.
Something I, and others, have been pondering, is the natural limit to intelligence. There's this unsolvable problem, death, for which there isn't a solution. We basically deal with it deceiving ourselves in a way or another. A bit too intelligent, and you might lose that capability, making you insane. The mad genius archetype, the bright kid who ends up with schizophrenia, etc.
And something that I have been pondering, is another problem of the same magnitude as death: realizing that your mother is not protective, but is taking advantage of you. The devouring mother is probably another route through which bright kids end up mentally unstable.
Read More@Vermillion-Rx That was good.
I don't think this is a tangent, but it made me consider a perspective I hadn't had before. Darwinism, we all know that those that survive have favourable traits, sexual selection etc etc. Well I'd never factored the mind in to that, cause y'know, physical traits help domination on the material plane. Is intelligence a genetic trait, anyhow? Machiavellian traits and methods of mental survival could develop in intelligent individuals to counter an increasingly stupid population.
@Adam-l I think that's your ball park, any substance to that?
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