@Vermillion-Rx

By extension, where the female can derive no benefit from association to the male, she perceives no benefit from association with their children as well.

How do you mean that?

It's quite obvious that women can and do benefit by associating with the children. They estrange them from their father and use the children for supply (narcissistic and material, aren't they going to take care of their aging mother?)

@Vermillion-Rx

The biggest problem is the children.

Most of these men that are unable to swallow female nature will prove unable to protect their children from their mothers' devouring tendency, thus exposing them to mental risk.

So, they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

@mattyanon

Word.

It's a sublime experience, with a nightmarish end.

@adam-l Yep, seconded.

The problem with BPD girls is that the emotional rollercoaster and the hot sex is addictive.

But you only ever date one of them.

Next time one comes along showing those signs, you're just "Nope, not worth it, don't care how good that pussy is"

@throwaway_old_guy

As long as he got away with no kids involved, he took a valuable lesson cheaply

@adam-l The narrative at the moment is "burnt out and crazy". Not sure I've noticed the change, but I've not had a new girl in a while either.

"Burnt out and crazy" sucks for them. It sucks harder for men.

@mattyanon

The crazy thing to my mind is that women complain that men are not committing, while also making commitment a shit deal.

See, women are holistic, which basically means they take all the current and short term data into account in order to produce a mental representation that benefits themselves.

It's purely evolutionary, in that it's a relic from the time where they couldn't rely on any long term commitment, and they had to implement a fast, greedy strategy.

Is it my impression or have you guys also observed that women nowadays tend to die burnt out and crazy? It's the price they pay for living a life as "strong and independent" rather than submitted to a caring man.

@First-light @Kloi

In addition to the difficulty of maintaining an LTR in the current mating landscape, this might also have to do with the "Fast vs Slow life strategy" model. LTRs need more pronounced Slow traits.

Pro-tip, reminder:

If you have kids, it's obligatory to have at least one 4-5 day getaway per year with them, preferably in nature, without their mother.