MentORPHEUS

about a week ago  The Public Square

@TwoInchesOfShaft

your reflexive unfounded stances against the west no matter the context or circumstance is worse than what they do.

"They hate us for our freedom!" intensifies

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TwoInchesOfShaft

about a week ago  The Public Square

@MentORPHEUS

For a change I'd love to see people who believe this specify and challenge them, rather than mic drop after this broad claim.

I explicated in two posts now things that were wrong. I have you enough examples, now since you know he’s a liar, you can research the rest of what he said yourself. You can be anti-nato expansion without believing a word Putin says.

And how does Putin want to have a buffer between NATO and Russia but then invades the country that is the buffer zone? He caused the revolts in Ukraine before his invasion in 2014 by sending in Russian mercenaries into territory that was Ukrainian since 1989. What are you even taking about? Again, there can be different perspectives here but to believe Putin is the innocent benevolent partner to someone who is willing to be nice to him is just plain retarded.

Each time I come on here, I get the urge to not provide any value to this community anymore. It’s devolved into 10/20 posts being by the goatfucker about buhu Israel and then your insincere bullshitting on every topic. If this is what TRP is now, then I hope this corner of the internet dies out sooner than later. It’s of no help to anyone.

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TwoInchesOfShaft

about a week ago  The Public Square

@Lionsmane8 The only people the west has to care about losing its credibility to are people of the west. Without the west, the world is irrelevant. No progress on any important front is made anywhere else essentially. No matter if it’s medical research, technology or anything else for that matter, the west has nearly all the progress and has had since centuries now. Who cares what people in the Middle East think of us? Am I or is anyone else here going to listen to people who have trouble getting the most basic shit together? It’s comical how you always cry about the west while you could use that energy to focus inward to get the problems addressed that locally face your continent/region/country/people and get them to make some progress on any front. But no, you rather blame the people who designed the phone you are typing on, invented the car you are sitting in, invented printing press, the internet, motors, electricity, and so on and so forth. Fuck you and your anti west bullshit. I don’t agree with many things our politicians do, with most actually, but you and your reflexive unfounded stances against the west no matter the context or circumstance is worse than what they do.

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Lionsmane8

about a week ago  The Public Square

@TwoInchesOfShaft

This "Western duplicity" is going to cost the West everything, not just its credibility.

moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/12/13/merkels-confession-could-be-a-pretext-for-an-international-tribunal/

According to Zakharova, the ex-Chancellor’s confession “says the horrible: fraud as modus operandi of the West – machinations, manipulations, all kinds of distortion of truth, law and justice imaginable.”

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Lionsmane8

about a week ago  The Public Square

@TwoInchesOfShaft

"Putin Imperialist" "Putin bad" "Putin Tsar"

This is getting cartoonish

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MentORPHEUS

about a week ago  The Public Square

@TwoInchesOfShaft

I just know he said many untrue and many more questionable things in that interview.

For a change I'd love to see people who believe this specify and challenge them, rather than mic drop after this broad claim.

The only thing I’d like to avoid is Russia’s borders and NATO borders being the same in the middle of Europe.

Did you somehow miss that this is one of Putin's major desires as well, and that it came up in several contexts during the interview?

Western, primarily American Globalist interests are the ones breaking the promise to Russia made circa 1990, when East Germany was released from Russian control and re-unified. One firm condition that was agreed to was that NATO would never expand one mile Eastward toward Russia.

Putin clearly called out Western meddlers formenting problems in the early 2000s, helping stage a coup d'etat in 2014, supporting the literal Nazi elements bombing and otherwise harming ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine, and breaking a peace treaty that both sides agreed to in 2022 that would have ceded only areas that wanted to reunify with Russia after their treatment by Ukrainian aggressors.

Now, Ukraine has lost over half a million fighting age men, seen much destruction of infrastructure, and no matter what will now end up with less territory than they would have under the deal that was inked before Blinken told Ukraine not to take that deal, that the West would support them no matter what in order to push NATO to Russia's border.

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TwoInchesOfShaft

about a week ago  The Public Square

@Typo-MAGAshiv Same with Tarantino. Once upon a time in Hollywood is a great movie, but how much of Margot Robbie’s screen time is her bare feet? Same for other movies of his.

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TwoInchesOfShaft

about a week ago  The Public Square

@Lionsmane8 He used the historical part as justification for his actions because he wants to reestablish Russia as it was hundreds of years ago. Putin sees himself as head of state as the successor of the Zars. The jabber about America not being nice or the Ukrainians being Nazis is just a facade for his territorial ambitions. It’s not the first state he has invaded and it’s not gonna be the last, though I have serious doubts he’d invade Poland, but he would any non NATO country that he deems historical Russian territory. Putin essentially claims what is the case for Palestine for Ukraine: he says it’s not a real country and not a legitimate people as they have no historical state or their own separate heritage or culture. He claims they’ve always been part of Russia as palestine was always in the hands of different empires. I don’t care either way, I have no stakes in Ukraine. Though I do disagree on many assertions of his. Kyiv has a long history as an important european city. It was an important trade city long before Rus was established as a state (which is still a far cry from todays Russia, though it laid the groundwork and set up the culture) and it was more important than Moskau as a city of culture, economy and statehood. That’s why it was chosen as the first capitol of Rus. That Kyiv therefore should now be controlled by Moskau is far from a straight logical line. It requires to agree on many premises Putin takes as granted, which I don’t. Kyiv has more historical connection to Paris than it does to Siberia. Anyways, drawing of historical connections is not sufficient to establish a right for Russia or Ukraine anyways. The question in my opinion is: who has the power and enough support of the population to govern the state effectively. It looks to me like most people in Ukraine are not fond of being ruled by Russia. Furthermore, Ukraine is a huge state (in European terms), it is the largest country in Europe area wise. It is not as if Russia would swallow Monaco, it’s as if Russia swallows Poland+ territory wise. Russia has 150.000.000 inhabitants, Ukraine has/had 44.000.000. That’s nearly a third of Russia’s population size. This is far from a small takeover.

As I said, I don’t really have a stake in Ukraine. The only thing I’d like to avoid is Russia’s borders and NATO borders being the same in the middle of Europe. It’s higher risk for direct conflict between powers. It would lend itself suitable for false flags, for rogue actors, for carelessness and for just regular war. Having Ukraine as a buffer is a good thing for everyone involved. Ukraine should also not become part of NATO. Another point would be that Russia would control huge amounts of Europe’s food supply if Ukraine was taken over, this is also like to avoid as it gives Russia even more political power over Europe.

Even though these are my only points of why I agree with supporting Ukraine financially and weapon wise to a certain degree as a European, I think it is important to not fall for Putin’s war time propaganda just as a matter of staying true to the facts. He’s a smart politician and man, but he’s not a truthful man. I don’t believe he believes many of the things he said. He may rationalize to himself post-facto though. I don’t know. I just know he said many untrue and many more questionable things in that interview.

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Lionsmane8

about a week ago  The Public Square

@TwoInchesOfShaft While we're at it, can you share some quality resources on the ww2 events. There seems to be discrepancies between the different accounts.

Lionsmane8

about a week ago  The Public Square

@TwoInchesOfShaft

Ah, you're talking about the historical part ... that I have to admit, my knowledge of Ruric's reign and subsequent events is very limited (time to deep dive).

That being said, the backdrop of Ukrainian artificial nationalism, the fact that they collaborated with the nazis (Bandera movement etc.) and how things played out subsequently in the prelude to the SMO and over the course of the SMO is factual and I have been commenting on it over the months on this platform as well.

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