@derdeutscher

Had you expressed any desire to see her in something sexy prior to meeting up? Or are you doing the bitch thing of getting angry because she didn't read your mind?

I obviously don't know your situation but I think you're focusing on the wrong thing here. To wit:

She was very eager to fuck

Presentation ain't nothin', to be sure, but behavior is what truly matters.

If you want her to wear something sexy next time, tell her. Preferably in a way that makes it fun for both of you - I'd suggest a little lighthearted^1 teasing about the "granny panties" followed by some positive reinforcement when she's wearing something lacy or revealing or whatever you like.

^1 Lighthearted being the key word there. It has to be genuine. If you're still butthurt about her not reading your mind, if there's any trace of resentment in said "teasing," there's a good chance she'll pick up on it and you'll have a whole new problem to deal with.

@Durek_The_Bald I still need to go back and read through what everyone said. I was in the middle of getting caught up late yesterday afternoon but got interrupted and never got back to it.

however...

From what I remember seeing so far, I think the two "sides" (for lack of a better term) of this discussion are talking past each other a bit.

You, @mattyanon, and whoever I'm forgetting in my pre-coffee haze are looking at things from the perspective of guys who have been unplugged for a while.

@woodsmoke, @derdeutscher, and I think @Vermillion-Rx to an extent are putting themselves into the shoes of the men who don't know about this stuff, and thinking about what would set them up for the most desirable life.

For my part, life had and still has its problems and uncertainties no matter what time period one picks, and I can see the advantages (and disadvantages) in either one.

Because I like things being based on tingles and horniness, rather than duty, commitment, and potential punishment

Why not both?

Tingles can come and go. Why should a man lose his house, access to his kids, etc because of fleeting feelings?

covenants without the sword are mere words

• Thomas Hobbes

I mean, I personally know the things I need to do to maximize my odds of favorable outcomes. I'd rather live as things are with what I now know. But thinking about all the men who will never find a space like this or any other Red Pill material, I think they may have been much better off under the old system with marriage 1.0. Too many of them are just left with nothing.

@Durek_The_Bald

Counterpoint: the modern paradigm is great for those on top o' the game, those who have a natural drive to climb ladders and build empires and those primarily/only interested in easy access to casual sex.

It's pretty shit for the great majority of men who just want a decent life with a decent woman and something to show for their efforts.

Also, only one of these group does the lion's share of the practical, hands-on work of actually building and maintaining the civilization in which we all live - and it ain't the relatively small number of high-achieving men at the apex of the sociosexual hierarchy. Not because they're incapable of building but because there simply aren't enough of them to meet the demand.

For one, the sexual revolution happened because women wanted it. Feminism happened because women wanted it. When women said they wanted to be "free", what they really were talking about was being free of beta buxx. Because it's not in their nature to want that, never have been. That's why "one woman for every man, one man for every woman" always has demanded strict social control of female nature to work (and by "work" I mean on a societal level, not for the individual man's life experience).

And children always want to eat cookies and ice cream for every meal. It's not in their nature to want vegetables. That's why a good parent doesn't give them the choice.

The fact monogamy requires heavy restriction of both female hypergamy and alpha male promiscuity isn't an argument against it. Thinking either of those have any sort of value simply because they're natural behaviors is purely fallacious reasoning and you know it. Humans do all kinds of shit that isn't natural behavior for us because we've realized both through trial and error and the inherited wisdom of those who came before (but I repeat myself) such artificial behavior is a lot better for us long term than doing "what comes naturally."

None of which is to say you're wrong, of course, but which version of society is better very much depends on one's priorities and the perspective from which one is analyzing the problem. As Thomas Sowell famously said, there are no solutions, only trade-offs.

Myself, I'd much prefer to be a retired legionnaire working my farm or a potter in first century Rome over being king of an insignificant spit of land for which I have have to scrape and claw every day for three and a half years before being conquered, killed in battle or assassinated by an overly ambitious brother or cousin in post-Roman Britain.