@tb87670 Redneck means labor, someone who is out in the sun with a shirt on because they are working.
Yes, they may have some bougie stupidity, run their budgets to zero every paycheck and take on debt to finance ego purchases but these are, by marxist definition, the proletariat. Not the busboys and cashiers that make up the service industry or the immigrant lawncare workers that they see.
Citybois dont understand and wont. They need to go out and work in the flyover states and the rustbelt to truly get it. Not just sit in their liberal cities and bitch about liberals. No one wants more national debt but if you forcefully layoff all the workers, at the time when the sun is shining, they need compensated. Not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouth and can afford to take months off of work.Read More
To be clear mate I do not have an issue with any of these actions, the actions simply created the circumstances for the undoing of a pagan city-state Republic.
Same thing happened in Athens. The ephebi system whereby young men aged 16 to 20 became citizens through military training was eroded into an "anyone can come, just pay the toll" method. Through that form of egalitarian (arguably materialistic) entry, the institution was destroyed - and later the might of the state.
The Creed itself, not being wrong. Gets interpreted into egalitarianism by the masses. It can be interpreted along Platonic teachings like doggie says. I see it the same way. It is not taught correctly but that does not mean it needs to be junked.
@TopSperg I think Chaddeus almost hit the spot when he talked about rigidity and it is connected with what you are saying in some degree. If you have a dynamic meritocratic state where people can prove themselves and go up the ranks, then they'll actually bother to do so. Now, if the people on the top arrest the positions for their families and build barriers of entry or as @GayLubeOil would put it "set a normative space filled with gay rules" then the state degenerates.
@TitusTorquatus I havent seen this argument before. The Nicene Creed was important but was that the turning point in the Roman Empire?Are we talking about the degeneracy of the populace? Or the direct events? Doggie shot down the arguments that it was a direct cause. So I go with the former. The legions were composed entirely of mercenaries who were under equipped due to the currency issues. Even so, the legions didnt even fight when Rome was sacked the first time.
When Marius created the professional army and the citizens of Rome no longer fought and supplied their own equipment, that is your turning point. All downhill from there.
Whats great about monarchies is that ideally they function through natural selection but on a state level. What do I mean by that? Ideally, when an old dynasty gets soft a group of violent, intelligent, disciplined men will overthrow them and institute their own dynasty that will make the state function more efficiently again. Over the generations the rulers will grow soft again and the process will be repeated. Thats what I think the Ottomans tried to emulate in their system.
@LeashedDoggie I havent studied the Ottomans. Monarchies seem to devolve as the subsequent generations get soft. The system lined out in Platos Republic book 5 seemed to be trying to prevent nepotism. If the Sultans sons had to compete for the title and it wasnt just given on birth order, I can see that as a alternative.
@TopSperg Dynastic differences were also the reason for the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire. The Ottomans witnessed this as they took over Anatolia essentially by playing the games of various Roman nobles as mercenaries. To curb this infighting the Turks, when they took over, went full fraticide. The Sultan could have thousands of children, but the moment the new Sultan was decreed, every other legitimate heir got chopped to pieces.