2mo ago The Hub

@Lionsmane8 TikTok, the app, is a Trojan horse for the idiocracy writ large. One of the highest trending views by subject is ‘flat earth’ with 3 billion views. Whoever pulls the mechanisms of the app does so to feed people a constant stream of stupidity. However, this is very much a theme with the western form of TikTok. In the east, TikTok is used to spread nationalistic and educational subjects. I don’t like that either, but for very different reasons. As with most forms of modernity, it belongs in the bin.

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2mo ago 5th Generation War

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3mo ago The Hub

@Antelope in any part of the world and in every era, if a foreign government interferes in your politics and buys off your legislative body (Congress), it would be considered foreign interference, corruption and high treason.

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3mo ago The Hub

@RPU_mike For fuck sake…

3mo ago The Hub

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@Antelope Got it, now you’re finally making some sense and I hear you. There’s no circular logic.

I don’t want world war 3, and I certainly don’t want my son to have to fight it. But we have to pick and choose our battles if the US is going to continue being the world police - and if we don’t, the world falls apart anyway and we al better start learning to speak Chinese.

It seems to me that Israel is a better country for us to align with than Syria, Libya, Iran, Yemen, and several others in the region that would kill either one of us in a heartbeat given the chance.

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3mo ago The Hub

@RPU_mike I should have used the word endorsed rather than nominated in my OP.

The circular logic of ‘Israel is an ally’ because ‘Israel is an ally’ is fucking terrifying and perfectly demonstrates the abstract zogbot mentality. ‘The enemies of the US’ are so perfectly undefined that you’ll be dragged into a war of Israel’s interest, those interests being so entangled that you’re unable to define whether they are actually yours and off your son will fuck to a war you were giddy to pay for out of your taxes.

Fucking. Terrifying.

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3mo ago The Hub

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@Antelope Okay what you are saying now was completely unclear before. No, of course I don’t blindly follow the US government or whatever any single politician says about Israel. Yes, I personally find the cultural values/moras and political interests of Israel (and yes, I realize Israeli culture is not a monolith) to be much less of a threat to my way of life personally than Russia or China, for instance. You wondered how this affects me personally. Well, I’d much rather have Israel go to war with the enemies of the US than have it be my son fighting against them when he gets old enough. If that costs me tax dollars, then I’ll have to pay.

Having said that, I’m open to hearing whatever you have to say. I encourage you to be more clear in what you’re saying. You quite literally suggested that AIPAC nominates the President, which is very silly, and it wasn’t clear until now that you were talking about me as an individual.

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3mo ago The Hub

They are our allies, why would I not support them?

Your ally, you, as an individual. That is your claim. You support them because your government calls them an ally. Your government calls them an ally because they are influenced by them internally. You as an individual then parrot back that they are an ally. You show no signs of interest in what influences are playing on your belief system.

‘Oh but the influence isn’t that substantial.’ Isn’t a refutation of the evidence of AIPAC playing a part in your system and policy making.

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3mo ago The Hub

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@Antelope There’s no need for me to substantiate the claim that Israel and the US are allies, that’s been an observable fact for decades. You can start with the Wikipedia article here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations

Even @coolsocks00 noticed you contradicting yourself bud.

Here is the part where you move the goalposts and the part where we disagree: you stated a fact and when I refuted it you said, “well AIPAC’s influence SHOULD be zero.” Stating your opinion is not how arguments work.

Look, ultimately I can’t disagree with your opinion. I understand you think AIPAC should have zero influence on US politics. If you want to be a Nationalost that’s cool man and I’m not going to change your mind. I’m just telling you that’s absolutely not how global or domestic geopolitics works today.

Israel–United States relations - Wikipedia

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3mo ago The Hub

AIPAC has a wide base of supporters both in and outside of Congress.

Support among congressional members includes a majority of members of both the Democratic and Republican Parties. According to AIPAC, the annual Policy Conference is second only to the State of the Union address for the number of Federal officials in attendance at an organized event.[77][78]

You’ve twice made the claim that I’ve said:

that AIPAC influences politics in a significant way.

for you to suggest that the Israel lobby is the only (or even the largest) influence on the long-standing Washington DC prostitution ring.

I made no claim about its significance. The strawman you’re refuting comes from the highlighted words. I merely brought your attention to a clear and present foreign influence on your political system that has uniparty support, that is a non-zero influence on who you as a citizen call ‘your’ ‘ally’. You’re not refuting my argument, you’re refuting a claim I didn’t make about the scale of the influence. Israeli influence on your political system should be zero.

So, substantiate the claim they are your ally or go for the strawman again, entirely up to you.

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