@Theolympicnomad

Hell with my fuck buddies I only fucked maybe 2 - 3 times a month and still had them cooking for me, ditching their friends to see me. If she isn't even doing at least those then why date her?

I don't believe such a relationship can transition from this to a conventional LTR, much less a wife. This is the type of woman most likely to get bored and sabotage the relationship when things get "too good/smooth/safe/secure."

I've experienced firsthand how a low self esteem woman reacts to getting offered an LTR package of security, love, and respect. Because she has internalized self-loathing and worthlessness, she will react with disgust toward a man who tries to value her above what she considers her station.

@AndrewTatesPancreas Yeah I can see that, I think(?) it depends on the specific dynamic between you and the girl. In my experience they try to push for a relationship between 4-6 months but I stall them for about a year then drop em etc.

@AndrewTatesPancreas I hope he does bro, I feel like being red pulled is more so for RELATIONSHIP game but you still need pickup to learn how to seduce women and get them to be baseline submissive to you before the relationship even starts. That's why I tell guys you need to be fuck buddies with her for at least 1 years and never see her more than twice a week at most. Hell with my fuck buddies I only fucked maybe 2 - 3 times a month and still had them cooking for me, ditching their friends to see me. If she isn't even doing at least those then why date her?

This is ridiculous. I wanna say I feel bad for him for even asking this question to reddits beta males and feminist. Of course in the comments they take his "girlfriends" side. Smh