@Typo-MAGAshiv

I see where you're coming from, and the fact that she has IG may be a yellow flag (I've never had it, but I don't want to be one of those old geezers who thinks any social media activity is a disqualifier). But it seems to me that we're hanging this particular narrative on a pretty thin reed. I'll admit that the church girl may be influencing my thoughts.

I say that because we went to the same church for a long time, and she was the real deal. She was exactly the kind of woman I would have made a full-court press for when I was single.

I also understand that we're issuing warnings about what can (and often does) happen to guys who fall for chameleons, and I agree that nobody owes anyone a chance. Buuuuuut...

One of the things that separates us from incel and inspin fora is that we don't engage in criticism of a member of the opposite sex no matter what. We have always required the women to "tell on themselves" (for lack of a better term). That's the entire point of Rule 5. If a woman makes a dating profile wherein she's dressed modestly and isn't a raging bitch or an obvious cc-rider, and we peg her as a chameleon who's going to go feral once the alimony is locked in, we should base that on something more than the fact that she has a social media account and expresses a bit of frustration about meeting men who don't follow hundreds of e-sluts. That's honestly a pretty basic request in those circles.

Granted, her age puts her in the "secondary" market for women who want to be TradWives, and that's a legitimate yellow flag, but it's hardly definitive. If we create unfalsifiable assumptions that amount to, "If she breathes she's a THOT," we deserve to be compared to bitter incels.

That's why I suggested some sort of consensus on how much evidence of thottery is enough. I'm not suggesting a courtroom standard for a criminal conviction, but before we showcase a woman as an example of someone to be avoided we should be able to articulate why we say that... and if we're not going to require that a woman "tell on herself" we should be able to clearly and convincingly articulate why we think she falls into that category.

Oh well, the worm-can is open... might as well loop everyone in:

@loneliness-inc, @deeplydisturbed, @melkorhimself, @impressive-cricket-8, @goodmansaysfuckyou, @houseoftolstoy, @aldabruzzo, @Land_of_the_losers, @ogrilla99, @sleepyweaselisawake, @woodsmoke

@deeplydisturbed

Normally I would bust your balls for rambling like one of my plates when she gets tipsy but I'm too tired for that shit right now.

I am an expert in Not-a-Fucking-Thing, so my advice is worth what it costs. All I can offer is:

He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.

Parenting is hard and there is no exact one size fits all solution to the plethora of problems that arise. Leading children is no different than leading adults. It takes experience, knowledge, wisdom, patience, trust, and love in amounts proportionate to the need of the other person. The only thing that I have been able to figure out in all my years in leadership roles is that the only thing that matters is respect. To have their respect you have to provide something worthy of that respect. If you want them to follow, then you have to be the example worthy of emulation.

When you are tired, exhausted, and want to quit, just remember that The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But you have promises to keep, And miles to go before you sleep, And miles to go before you sleep. There is no rest for the wicked and even less for the protectors of the innocent and weak.

I would like to see myself as an elder statesman sort of man - or on my way to being one. I would also like to see myself as a good man - or at least trying to be one.

If that is your lot in life, then go for it. I prefer the background since I am more along the lines of the guy that you call when diplomacy and statesmanship has failed and the time has come to spit upon your hands, hoist a black flag, and begin slitting throats.

But I have made mistakes (small ones, but they had a bad impact), and I still cry tears of regret and loss sometimes. It is harsh and deep and can send lesser people into despair. But knowing that there are at least a few men - you two and several others here - who know how and when to bust balls, and when to throw a pile of sources or advice is valuable to me beyond measure.

Ah, Regrets! Yeah well join the fucking crowd. We all (most at least) have regrets for things that we would have done differently. Those that claim to have no regrets are either sociopaths with no empathy or sympathy for others or have never had tried to do anything. Failure and the regrets that accompany it is a learning moment. Those that have never tried and failed will never fully learn anything about life. I suggest that you check out the lyrics to Willie's song-- "Nothing I can do about it now" www.youtube.com/watch?v=prgpr7vansu or one of my personal favorites (that I think is probably the singularly iconic RP male song) Frank's -- "My Way". www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqzdasjwgpg

I regret much that has transpired in my life and learned much along the way, but I categorically refuse to waste any time or tears on it. FIDO brother...FIDO!

With all that being said, MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS to you and yours. I hope that you have a good one.

I also second Typo's response. No-homo!

GMSFY