@TiberiusBravo87 That makes more sense as a stance. At the same time though everyone does have different standards that they want for their life, and if youre just going for ONS or short term relationships I dont think it will matter too much that youre driving a beater and living in a 1BR. If thats all you want from life you can probably still get women just fine, maybe not models (although who knows) but not everyone needs that.

Personally my goal in life is to simply retire early with a decent house or apartment to my name, with my current job. Realistically I can retire in my 40s if I work just 40 hours a week, although if I go for 6 days, and more OT in general I could probably retire in my 30s, potentially even early 30s. It wouldnt be some kind of luxurious retirement but it would be a decent one. I also do want to potentially get into a tradeschool and either retire in my 30s with less hours put in, or get a more luxurious retirement, but thats for later consideration.

@SeasonedRP I recognize that, I was more so commenting on the fact that most people involved seem to gravitate towards the opinion of working corporate and climbing the ladder being part of bettering yourself. Insinuating that that is the best goal to strive towards.

@TiberiusBravo87 As @Typo-MAGAshiv says there is a lot of money to be made working skilled trades, certainly the max potential is nowhere near the same, but how many people achieve the max potential climbing ladders or being entrepreneurial or so on. To earn a lot working white collar youre going to have to spend a lot of time and potentially a lot of money getting an education, and you're probably still going to start out earning the same $30k barely making ends meet, needing to put time and effort into constantly hunting a better offer and grinding away to reach the top. Whereas with blue collar you start out with that $30k with 0 education, and then you can put in some time in a trade school and earn more.

Personally I am not as well off as Typo, I am in that no education section, although I do potentially want to get an education in some trade and earn more. I dont think I could ever pull off university or white collar work though, or if I could I would probably be miserable the entire time. Not everyone working blue collar will be like me but personally I barely flunked out of high school and I honestly dont think I could go back to that kind of learning or do work in any sort of similar capacity.

@drake This is the part I dont understand about the redpill ideology. Im pretty new to this and havent read nearly enough but there seems to be an overwhelming push towards corporate careers or anything similar, and not a lot of love for blue collar work. Is the idea of an alpha simply incompatible with blue collar work in your opinion?

Personally I dont view it that way at all. Certainly the top earning potential is lower, but depending on the specific job you can earn a lot working physical jobs, with less time invested into education. And I dont really view your job as part of being so to say alpha, which is something I view more as a mindset.

Perhaps I simply misunderstand what people mean, and you dont seem to have specifically meant that and rather just that being a plumber isnt the best you can do in terms of money. But money also isnt everything, I dont think you need to be top dog in wealth to be successful at life.