1y ago  The Hub
@Butthead

@Whisper I don't think you and @loneliness-inc disagree with each other as much as either of you might think.

He appears to be speaking mostly how men mostly are now, in our decaying gynocentric soyciety. Mostly raised by women, who just cannot teach men how to be men.

You appear to be speaking of how men naturally are when in a properly-functioning civilization (aka, patriarchy), and are mentored by fathers and other senior males.

There's overlap in what both of you said.

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1y ago  The Hub
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@Loneliness-inc

It's not a dominance hierarchy. That's just something women say because they don't understand men, and something men say because women's bad takes have permeated into the culture.

Male influence is situational, context-specific, and follows investment and contribution.

Men, in our natural and healthy state, tend to form ourselves into teams, and leadership goes to those who have contributed the most to the mission. Take those same "dominant" males, and attach them to a team they're unfamiliar with, with a different mission, and they will be spear-carriers... at least initially.

Men are not hierarchical, we are territorial.

Now, there certainly are men who will immediately challenge the leader for the throne in any group they find themselves in. These are men who are damaged, who believe the female myth that men are hierarchical. In healthy groups, they tend not to get very far, because they always think that not getting to wear the cardboard burger king crown means they must be someone else's bitch.

So they grab for the crown. And they fail because, having not contributed as much as others, they don't have the support of the group. And then they either sulk and become dead weight, a perpetual thorn in the side of the group and the mission... or they take their toys, leave the sandbox, and go elsewhere, hopeful to build something of their own, which they will then be in charge of because they built it.

All this means that the squabbling we see here over who's the "bigger alpha" is pointless and stupid. @redpillschool and I are the leaders here, and it's not because we have bigger dicks, more indomitable will, or higher bench press numbers.

It is because we have contributed and invested and worked a hell of a lot to get us all here... and that so-called "dominance" is entirely situational. It's only in effect in the "TRP" space, because that's where we focused that work.

Men are not, by our primary nature, fighters. We are hunters and explorers and builders.

Now, don't get me wrong... fights over dominance do occasionally occur, and sometimes even determine who's in charge... usually between two or more men whose relative contributions are unclear, or in groups of men so large or formally organized that they are not a true, healthy team based on the male instinct to form teams and do missions.

In the context of a healthy male group, men who get into status competition based bickering matches with their teammates need to be corrected by their peers and leaders.

Truly healthy male groups are based on the team-mission instinct built into men, not on fighting over the crown. Women get confused about this, because they see men fight, and therefore think that men are fighters. But any male group where leadership is based on the outcome of a fight is a group that will fail in its missions and goals, because its group dynamics are all fucked up.

As Sun Tzu put it, the army whose upper and lower ranks have the same objectives will be victorious.

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1y ago  The Hub
@Butthead

@Loneliness-inc

Men who have the humility to listen to and learn from anyone. Men who can truly be happy for someone else's wins.

I consider myself very fortunate to have found a couple of groups of such men with whom to converse.

One is my fellow WAATGM mods as well as many of the flaired members, and the other is this very forum (of course there's some overlap).

Granted, not everyone on this forum is like that, but a significantly higher portion than one would find in meatspace is.

Very few, are the men who truly let go of this game [competitiveness].

I've let go of it better than you have!

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1y ago  The Hub

@Whisper

Good point.

Competitiveness is predominantly, a male trait. Men will ALWAYS jockey for a higher position in the dominance hierarchy.

Very few, are the men who truly let go of this game. Men who live their best lives for themselves. Men who have the humility to listen to and learn from anyone. Men who can truly be happy for someone else's wins.

Most people though, are still too busy trying to reach the top. What will they get if and when they finally reach the top???

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1y ago  The Hub

@Typo-MAGAshiv

Holy shit...

I don't even know what to say.

I barely have time for anything these days, let alone for retards

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1y ago  The Hub
@Butthead

@Loneliness-inc you stepped in it, breh.

Carnold is an over-sensitive wuss who can't take a joke, and has blocked most active participants on this site.

The newsjournal of loose women to whom you replied is a childish retard who is blocked by most active participants on this site because of his ridiculous temper-tantrums anytime someone dares disagree with him on something.

Check it out, especially the second pinned post: www.trp.red/feed/t/hire_calidurr_diskushun

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1y ago  The Hub

@slutmagazine

I don't give a shit.

Never heard of this guy until this stupid conversation.

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1y ago  The Hub

@carnold03

In short: you're saying that you aren't Jewish, but that your lord and savior is Jewish.

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1y ago  The Hub

@redpillschool

I'll post a link next time I see it, but if you just Google parenting advice or check any Reddit about parenting, everybody says spanking is old fashioned and damaging.

I haven't considered real spanking but sometimes no amount of limits of privileges works.

Don't. I'm sorry to have wasted your time with my prior request. When you mentioned 'Reddit' I immediately understood any information you'd found there would be functionally useless, if not outright worthless. It was not my intent to waste your time nor re-expose you to such stupidity and I sincerely apologize for that.

I have voiced some of my thoughts in passing regarding corporal punishment of wives. While, I did so partly in jest, I see it just as valid now as when I made the comments. However, I do believe parents shouldn't be reliant upon corporal punishment exclusively. Just as you have to plan with your betrothed before marriage, you will need to put in a good deal of advance planning with your spouse before such time as she informs you that she is late.

Frankly, it would be best to find older adults who're you're morally and ethically aligned with to mentor you than to rely on sites like Reddit. Regardless of what path you take, don't let your marriage become dependent upon on any one source. Have as many as you can fall on which offer advise you can apply as the circumstances in front of you warrant. Reddit can bite my fuzzy butt.

cc: @Whisper @drake @Fawking_Gay @deeplydisturbed @Ill_Will7 @Loneliness-inc

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1y ago  The Hub

@deeplydisturbed

Perfect. It's what I expected. Was just checking. Thanks.

You're forgiven, my son.

cc: @Whisper @drake @Fawking_Gay @redpillschool @Ill_Will7 @Loneliness-inc

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