@polishknight R Cooper does pop up in my YT feed now and then, and I gave him a listen.

My take is that he is initially ok, quite interesting. But the blue pill ist strong with this guy!!! It only takes a few minutes of listening and you will see what he is all about - buying women drinks and dinner, making money so that he can spend it on leftover single moms.

He seems blue pill to the core.

I would also say the same about Kevin Samuels. I listened to him for a few hours, and he is quite amusing, mostly because of this guests. he does have a way to letting them do the talking, and revealing their insanity.

BUT ...if you listen carefully, you will hear just how blue pill he is. Because he says things to women like 'You need to smarten up or else your'll end up with 50:50 males". This is 100% blue pill thinking going on here.

And then shortly before he died, his actions revealed just how beta he was - LTR up a slut single mom, paying for her car and rent.

@ShapeShiffer My view point would be that even wondering whether sports cars do or don't make you more attractive to women is inherently beta.

The only way forward is to stop caring what women think, and stop living your life in service of women. Do what you want. After an entire life living in service to women (your entire childhood and adolesence, and early 20s) its actually quite hard for men to figure out what it is that actually gives them joy.

That's why I also think its worth spending time thinking on it - usually in a nature setting. What is it that gives me joy? what is my mission? Am I on auto pilot? Am I working hard to get money, so that i can buy a big house and a porsche? Is my desire for a big house and a porsche so that I can get the approval of women? of people that I don't even know or like? why am I living like this?

What is it that gives you joy?

One of the most disapointing days of you life will be when you actually do get that Lambo.

@polishknight .

it basically costs many men about $20,000 a year just to be "eligible" dating to most women in their socio-economic sphere. That doesn't include all the other burdens of basic dating

Yeah, that's the part I'm not sure I'm buying. Unless something's drastically changed during the last 5 years, or we're talking a culture I'm not familiar with.

Or let me put it differently: I don't doubt that's a lot of guys' experience. But it's partly down to them "buying the message" too - thinking they need these things. I do suspect it's a case of guys listening to what women say they want, and letting it get to their heads.

When women throw out stuff like: "must own a house", "must pay for dinner", "must drive a nice car" etc. those are generally grand-stage societal shit test meant to make plow horses plow.

Meanwhile, they're happy to fuck the guys they're attracted to in some shitty apartment they share with other guys, for no more than the cost of a cup of coffee (if even that).

I get what you're saying. It's clearly true, and follows on from what we already know (eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap, women are human beings, men are human doings etc.). So yeah, downstream from our biological programming, it follows that this will be a lot of guys' experiences.

What TRP teaches men though, is that these things have nothing to do with women's lust and desire. They merely belong to the beta bux side of the equation, and you can actually choose to ignore what women say they want (and likely be more attractive because of it).