@monKey_das Yeah, I know the ending COULD be better but the tale is great up to that point and that's perhaps the problem: These stories were meant to be allegories and the "happy ending' was meant to avoid a downer but not to be taken seriously. Kissing frogs, fairy godmothers, and King Thrushbeard in real life aren't real but women are raised with "magical thinking" that she's "special" and that "real men" should ALL be that way. Hollywood also perpetuated the "serendipity" myth as well.

I rather like the story of Fiddler on the Roof which is astonishing realistic about how life works out where the 3 daughters who wanted "love" all wound up with difficult lives: One married to a poor tailor instead of the rich butcher that her mother had picked, another an intellectual whom she followed to a prison camp, and the third ostracized.

@Lionsmane8 The very ideals of today's romanticized "court"ship" are ideals from when non-noble knights who somehow became officers (perhaps a child without an inheritance from a middle class family) but had risen up through the ranks and gotten recognition from the King ("knighted") would "court" a woman whose father had "huge tracts of land" and get a good dowry. In literature, the knight and "lady" are portrayed as beautiful but then again, all the girls back then probably had measles and pock marks on their faces (but painted out in family portraits, sort of like app "filters").
Then, as now (but at least they were more cognizant of it), a woman who was "refusing to settle" was like a store demanding more money for milk the longer it sat on the shelf. The father wouldn't want her hanging around at the home sleeping with stableboys and producing unwanted children so he'd dump her off at a nunnery where she'd be doing serf work for the rest of her life. For amusement, read the cautionary tale "King Thrushbeard" Every woman should read this.

Polishknight: “I wanted to experience what chads do.” @Typo-Magashiv: “By paying a hooker? That seems like the antithesis of the Chad Experience!”

Please allow me to clarify, if I may: Of course by definition a chad doesn’t have to pay cash for sex, but he doesn’t have to “pay” in the other ways as well such as spending time learning game, paying for dates, or handling repeated rejection (at least not in the sense we do.) He doesn’t have to endure the feeling of flirting with a woman, pretending to care about whatever topic it takes to generate emotional intimacy, and her flaking on him.

And yeah, I did experience the professional “enjoying” sex at least in the sense (nearly all) pretended to with little effort on my part. Think of prostitutes as, er, like going to Disneyworld: You don’t meet actual princesses but they make an effort to sell that illusion for a price.

“Again, I want the woman to want me for me.”

I don’t want to be argumentative with you (we’re on the same side) but I addressed this point in my above comment: For the majority of men who have to do something to earn sex from women, then she loves him for what he does to earn it, not “for himself”.

This is an inherent trait that women and men share that we do want to be loved “for ourselves” and be able to be vulnerable with someone else. That’s perhaps why some women engage in self-mutilation with tats and face piercings to see if the men will still love “her” or a man drives a junk car to drive (pun intended) the gold diggers off. But sadly, in many cases, it winds up with the person alone because there are few people out there like that for them.

@Typo-MAGAshiv @deeplydisturbed @Acela_nextel Note: No shaming here as I’ll turn around what Deeply said as “lazy and cheating” as “savvy and insightful”. This fits into my overall world view when I saw people working hard as an “honest worker” and getting taken advantage of. Look up "Italian Strike."

Consider: The WAATGM rule 1 is no shaming of men. Isn’t shaming men who pay cash for sex one of the ways to keep men down so that they can shame him with “incel” if he fails to figure out how to get a relationship first to get sex, or to pay for dinners for years without getting laid?

Consider the first element of game which is pretending to be what women want you to be to get laid. That means these women don’t desire you but rather the act. And yes, it did warp my brain for the reason I mentioned in that I was freed me from needing validation from women and serving them.

Note that I didn’t blow all my money on prostitutes. Everything can be carried to excess such as gym rats, or workaholics, etc. I wanted to experience what chads do. Chads don’t fret about whether a woman enjoys sex or not. She “desires” him so she usually has an orgasm, of course, but he doesn’t have to fret about that to get laid. He can just have sex and if she O’s, that’s great and if not, well, he can just next her. In that case, I was living like a Chad. And yes, it warped my brain like when I flew an ultralight or did extreme rides at the amusement park. I pushed my limits.

I think prostitutes are among the finest women on the planet. They provide an invaluable service to disenfranchised men who need sexual intimacy even though society shuns them like doctors who treated lepers. All the other sex workers: strippers, OnlyFriends, and dinner whores all exploit men cynically and even bitterly because such attention only makes the men feel all that much more worthless since they pay to be friend zoned.

Finally, by holding women responsible for their orgasms, I think it helps them to be more communicative and empowered to achieve them without them finding ways to self-sabotage themselves. Or maybe it doesn’t.

That’s their problem.

Do you know what I’m saying?

@Typo-MAGAshiv My RP journey began with not caring about female desire or to impress women anymore which, ironically, gave me great frame. Going to a professional, even after I had lost my virginity, was mind blowing: I didn't HAVE to be charming, or desired, or smart or any of the things I felt women wanted or qualities I possessed. I could simply enjoy the sex, on its merits, and then afterwards could interact with the woman for the remaining hour on our base qualities without embellishment. Some of them didn't want to talk to me, some did. It was like a reverse date where you have the sex first, then pay, then talk. I certainly didn't need to impress them.

Imagine if EVERY man did this where he had sex without having to beg or entertain women and then interacted with them afterwards. Imagine the kind of society that would be.