@Legends_of_Men In the spirit of intelligent discussion that improves all of us as men and as human beings, when presented with differences of opinion and other ideas, you should consider addressing them rather than invalidating the person making them.

For example, replying with something like "You're ignorant. The whole world would think so if you had the guts to make this public" is kind of like a woman invalidating a speaker for mansplaining or being a bigot. Shutting down the discussion by insisting that the speaker is deficient and therefore has no right to speak and does not warrant a response.

Many people do not think that manning up and taking responsibility for a family is a good move in 2019, and that acting like a strong masculine leader is not some kind of silver bullet that leads to success. It's not a crazy viewpoint. Consider addressing the viewpoint rather than calling the speaker cowardly and ignorant.

@Legends_of_Men Tell you what. We have a legitimate difference of opinion on how to actually provide valuable content to men, but you've actually written books and run a blog, so you have some experience on what sells.

I think 7 bucks is a lot for a 99-page niche book that only the 500ish people reading this right now are going to care about. You can get a good book on Amazon for 99 cents that's 700 pages long. It's a little disingenuous to say that you're not out to make a buck.

But maybe you think you deserve to make a buck and be well compensated for the valuable time you spent writing. Maybe you're trying to sell you, rather than sell a book. I mean, if Rollo can do it, anybody can do it. The bar's not very high. I just don't think there's much of a market for anybody trying to be the next Rollo.

@Legends_of_Men Today's youth is not buying Rollo's books and reading them. They're reading his shit for free on the internet. That's why he's so widespread across the manosphere. Lots of people read free stuff on his blog. Very few people actually buy his books.

If you posted your book on Reddit or something, you'd get 5000 upvotes and an internet reputation. You start debates. People would talk about you and what you wrote and who you are. Do that a few times and you're a manosphere name.

But put your book on Amazon for 7 bucks and spend most of your internet time peddling your blog and your books, and you'll make a little beer money, and everybody will think you're just another manosphere grifter.

@clavabot I bought the last two books the guy recommended and will probably get around to reading his, too. Though I think a book half the size of The Way of Men that costs more money and is 100% a niche book about a tiny sector of the internet rather than a good general read is only going to be interesting to this specific audience and is way overpriced as a result.

But anyway, I'm darn near 40 and have a six-figure job and a significant academic interest in the topic. Plus I fuck. I can buy a 7 dollar kindle book and read it on the toilet in a couple of days. A 21 year old incel in college trying to get laid by reading manosphere stuff on the internet isn't going to buy this book.

If this guy insists that he isn't trying to make a buck off of the manosphere in his attempt to pitch his own rebranding of the new masculinity, then he should put his money where his mouth is and actually not make a buck. If his real goal is to educate men about the errors of The Red Pill, he should want to reach the widest audience possible.

@Legends_of_Men Lots of guys have tried to reinvent and rebrand The Red Pill in their own image, as some sort of reimagined new masculinity. Most in an effort to monetize the manosphere, which is actually kind of silly. The 21 year old lost boys in college - today's incels - have no money and less potential than any generation of men that came before, and they expect everything for free. Cash grabs need to appeal to the boomers and gen x-ers. That's why twitch streamers focus on retro games from forever ago and every manosphere weirdo you see peddling a book or YouTube channel is an old fart.

Attempts to monetize the new generation of manosphere men are going to be really poorly received.