@woodsmoke

The eco scam. Sure it all might be true, but as long as it can be beneficial it will be a scam.

Random article.

In December 2021, an eruption began on Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai, a submarine volcano in the Tongan archipelago in the southern Pacific Ocean. The eruption reached a very large and powerful climax nearly four weeks later, on 15 January 2022

The eruption produced a massive eruption column, reaching elevations of 57 kilometres (35 mi) and thus reaching into the mesosphere.[73] This is the highest recorded eruption column since Krakatoa’s in 1883, which extended up to 80 km (50 mi) high. The column developed multiple "umbrella"-like clouds, a higher one in the stratosphere and a lower at about 17 km (11 mi) elevation,[74] and generated a terrestrial gamma-ray flash.[75] The column injected a large quantity of water into the stratosphere, where it disturbed the local temperature balance and caused the formation of anomalous winds.[76]

Large volcanic eruptions can inject large amounts of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, causing the formation of aerosol layers that reflect sunlight and can cause a cooling of the climate. In contrast, during the Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai eruption this sulfur was accompanied by large amounts of water vapour, which by acting as a greenhouse gas overrode the aerosol effect and caused a net warming of the climate system.[77] One study estimated a 7% increase in the probability that global warming will exceed 1.5 °C (2.7 °F) in at least one of the next five years,[78] although greenhouse gas emissions and climate policy to mitigate them remain the major determinant of this risk.[79] Another study estimated that the water vapor will stay in the stratosphere for up to eight years, and influence winter weather in both hemispheres.[80] More recent studies have indicated that the eruption had a slight cooling effect.

@Stigma "What we're really arguing is the idea that humans have impacted it to such a degree that the absolute worst of weather conditions can be pinned directly on us..."

Eh, no. The basic idea of global warming is just that. Warming. From CO2. Scientists, men from the 19th Century, have figured this out. Men like Joseph Fourier thought up the greenhouse effect of gases in the early 1800s and Svante Arrhenius calculated it in the later 1900s.

I shouldn't call it climate change, as that was the weasel word by the industry to hide it back decades ago. It's only going up.

So is the propaganda that it's been "changing for billions of years". Well yes, but we're the ones changing it and hundreds to thousands time faster than nature typically does, unless it's by meteor hit or something. Animals have been going fast, Cheetahs run up to 80mph for really short bursts, but that doesn't make cars going highway speeds "just like nature".

Nothing else is forcing temps to go up, or some Nobel prize winner would have discovered it and exposed it to the world.

You can play the dumbass 1950s "Leave it to Beaver" golly gee whiz can we change the earth? But just driving around anyone can see we changed most parts of the earth, or just look at space pictures of earth at night and see all the artificial lighting sufficient to light the place up.

@redpillschool

IMHO - It's a result of a few things combined.

We already know that at least a percentage of the fires were (allegedly) deliberately set.

Although I haven't studied the topographical maps of the affected areas, it does seem the worst affected are built on hillsides, and fires do like to go uphill versus down. If there is a lot of fuel available on those hillsides, it will make it easier for the fire to progress.

The onshore winds helped push those fires along and will carry embers to other areas. The stronger the wind, the greater the effect.

Large fires can and do create their own weather conditions which make them even more difficult to control. Look at "The Beast" from 2016 in Fort McMurray, Alberta.

There was a comment here that LA received less rain last year which contributed to dry conditions.

Landscaping and building design choices can mitigate or spread fires. I don't know if cedar shake roofs are still popular in the area. They work well in wet climates like Seattle and Vancouver and become serious fire hazards in dry areas. Trees, grass and shrub choices and placement also factor in.

I do not know if the City of LA and surrounding areas have had fire mitigation studies done and whether any of the recommendations were followed. I can almost hear the cries of the taxpayers and environmentalists against them. I would not be shocked to find out that some of this is the result of planning changes/rules that were made decades ago and we are witnessing the long-term effects.

The changes in climate, AFIK, are more driven by natural phenomena than anything Humans could do.

Complacency plays a role. It wasn't too many Generations ago that fires were not suppressed and would simply go on until it ran out of fuel. Most of that would be ground level build-up from shrubs, leaves, twigs and branches and the fires served to clean it up and make the forests healthier in the long term. Now, we insist on putting them out, which results in more ground level fuel, unhealthy forests and all but explosive conditions.

We do like to build homes and live in forested areas and have significantly increased Urban housing density in general..

Will there be any lessons learned?