@woodsmoke The problem with a lot of the loosely entwined alliances that many on the left make with various immigrant groups is that they have nothing really uniting them in common other than their current opposition to the native right wing people of that country. Sure, the immigrants will vote for leftist politicians in order to get more benefits and more of their people in the country, but they do not care one bit about supporting the ideaology of the left. If/when the native right wing population is overtaken in any way (be in by number, power, or any other category), the loose unity will unwravel very quickly and there is going to be conflict. How that conflict will exactly play out, I do not know. But I really doubt that the leftists looking to seize power are going to get their vision fulfilled when groups such as Muslims will absolutely not support LGBTLMNOP ideology one bit.

So even if the left wins, that "win" will be short lived and will be overturned by whatever other group (or groups) are large enough to assert their own power and vision. In essence they would be "conservative" in their values, but not in the way the American Right are conservative. Rather, it will be conservative in keeping and maintaining the values they already had before.

@Typo-MAGAshiv I would argue that his use of the word "conservative" would not necessarily be aligned with American conservatives, but rather conservative in the sense that they have their own strict rules they wish to enforce. It certainly would not align with the white American conservatives, but it would most certainly not align with the far left LGBTLMNOP types. Political ideologies do not fit neatly on a two dimensional spectrum anyways, but for Americans it seems that way because we have two main factions that are box out most any other alternatives (good or bad).

Now I see in the last paragraph that you have come to the same conclusion I have.

On a side note about Magic Dirt, my understanding is that people wrongly assume that some country or region is just inherently bad rather than acknowledging that the "bad part" is bad because of the people there making it bad. Moving said bad people to a "good part" will not make them better. In theory you will have people who are not like said bad people living in those "bad areas" who would genuinely fit in with the people in the "good area" better. The problem comes when we apply this on a broader scale with no way to vet every individual, the bad people from the "bad area" will just make the "good area" bad because the problem never was the physical location or the dirt beneath them. Thus, the "Magic Dirt" idea shows that geographical location is not the important factor.

@woodsmoke @deeplydisturbed

The (grossly oversimplified) way I understood Magical Dirt Theory was that once all these illegal aliens are here long enough, they'll assimilate and become citizens who vote conservatively.

Back when the Alt-Right was actually a good thing and before actual fucking Nazis took it over, they helped me to realize how silly that hope was. For every Senator Rubio or Senator Cruz, you get tens of thousands who still vote blue (and yes, they are both Cuban and 2nd generation, and so staunchly anti-communist).

From @WokeDown's reply to @houseoftolstoy:

Liberals stupidly think they can bring in their own electorate by replacing the natives… but will find out after a few elections the newcomers will have no interest perpetually electing some LGBTnoIQ knowitall fuckwit with blue hair when they’re big enough to vote their own, and often more conservative kind.

Though giving this a second reading now that I'm more awake, I think he meant they'll do similar to he Muslims in most European countries: start forming coalitions and their own political party. It seems I misread it earlier and thought he meant they'd vote conservative as in Republican.

Seeing all the latest news on the riots and protests in the UK over the government showing that they despise their own native citizens has me thinking about how the status quo can no longer remain. Perhaps the riots will not amount to anything, but if the citizens have a memory better than a goldfish things will not and cannot just go back to normal for them. At least it should not.

I don't know that any full blown revolution will happen or any real political change will take place. But I do know that there are no good outcomes to come at the end of this. The people will stop having any sense of national pride, there will be less motivation to strive and sacrifice for the good of their country. Essentially, I see a slow collapse forming as the result of all this if there is not a more drastic wave of change.

The UK is not unique in this regard. This will be taking place in many countries, including the US possibly too. What is the point of national pride if your own government hates you and favors those who are committing criminal acts against your people?

And when things get worse and worse, those very migrants that the government panders to now will not be saving anything. At best they will leave and at worst they will hasten the destruction.

@Typo-MAGAshiv

As you know, I am much more open to "adjacent" content than most. As long as it highlights some key aspect of the WAATGM phenomenon, I'm good with it.

But this one should not be published because of the reasons previously mentioned:

• Bad optics
• Not her fault
• No obvious CC riding
• No obvious bad attitude
• etc.

BUT... it does have value as it does reinforce or hint at a few of our favorite topics/flairs, including:

• The epiphany phase
• Hitting the wall (perhaps literally in this case. Sorry that was horrible. Ill delete this line later.)
• Leftovers(ish)
• Looking for a "good character guy" (as she put it) - now that her other options are gone

It's a great story, if true. But I vote no. We can allude to this story as needed in the future. So it can serve a purpose. I would just not let it fly for all the aforementioned reasons.

Still one hell of a compelling story.

Important Note:

This discussion brings up our ongoing moderation challenge here; Censorship.

Over the years, I have yanked many a post on /r/waatgm and a few other subs that I modded, for the optics alone - even when everything else fit. And I think we should all be mindful of straddling that fine line between being open in our speech on one hand, and opening ourselves up to claims of racism, ableism, etc.

Instead of looking at it as censorship, we do something more akin to self- policing. Is this a subtle semantic difference? Sure. But we all get what that means.

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@polishknight

It also reminds me of the trans-man who wrote the book "self-made man" who committed suicide after realizing how difficult men's lives are.

like @throwaway_old_guy said: that was Norah Vincent, and she wasn't a tranny. She just pretended to be a man for her research. Here's my WATGMA post about her from a bit over a year ago.

And like @woodsmoke said (with a slight correction): her medically assisted suicide was almost 20 years after her book was published (researched 2003-2004 and published 2006, death was 2022). She struggled with depression most of her adult life.

Michael Landon had a series: "Highway to Heaven"

I'm familiar with it. My wife loves it, but it's too hokey for me. I've seen a few episodes I enjoyed, but I'm not really a fan. I don't recall the episode you mentioned.

I was thinking that she's going through an existential crisis similar to that the leftovers go through, except more extreme. Instead of happening over a decade, now it's sudden.

Now this does make for some interesting fodder.

I'm a lot more open to it now, as long as we make it clear that her sudden invisibility is the focus, rather than making fun of her for an unfortunate accident.

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