@adam-l

I generally agree with what you said there. But would you mind expanding on why you think women should be excluded from humanist ideas, and what you believe is the scientific basis for why it is so?

The Humanists somewhere lost it and included women in their reasoning, to their demise. We now know, scientifically, why women must be excluded. That way, the humanist ideas still stand and can provide a sense of community and identity for men all over the world

See, I tend to think that taking women seriously as autonomous people - rather than some idealised fantasy conjured up in the minds of men - is rather essential when it comes to (ironically enough) the liberation of men from the traditionalist ball and chain.

So when feminist say stuff like: "Feminism also liberates men", I tend to agree with that. Probably not for the same reasons as they think, but outcome-wise, sure.

And just to back that up with an example: The traditionalist, (I would claim) idealised view on women, puts them in the position of main caregiver of children. In contrast, the more feminist view on women largely takes away that assumption, and thus paves the way for men to have more access to their children in the event they decide to divorce their wives.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that a more humanistic view on women (more than just wives and mothers) in many ways relegates them from the ramped up position they used to have in a more traditionalist climate. And so, relatively speaking, that elevates the position of men (as parents, amongst other things).

I know the U.S. is far different in many ways, but in Western Europe this progressive mindset is usually legislated by law when it comes to things like divorce and custody. Only 30 years ago, I would have had a hard time seeing my kids more than every other weekend if I ever decided to divorce my wife. Today it wouldn't be nearly as hard to get 50/50 - which is also partly because women are expected to work (and why shouldn't they be?).

@Manofcave

Brutal reality check, how can i man the fuck up?

Yesterday i was talking to this girl who liked me, we even talked sexual stuff, everything was going pretty well, i was interesting(cool hobbies), agreed and amplified, i sent her my body pic with 12% bodyfat(visible 6 packs) and decent muscles, she found it to be really hot, she's an unemployed skinny fat chick who's never set a foot in the gym(im sure even her dms are full with dudes). Then she asked my height and i told 5'10 (actually 5'8) and it was over, she said she wont sleep with anyone under 6' as her previous bf was 6' skinny dude, brutal slap straight in the face.

i know i wont ever reach the level of success a genetic specimen can reach without putting in any effort, but my effort I've put on for years on end to yield me failures all my life whenever I've tried puts me in depression from time to time, like id go to the gym consistently for 6 months and then it hits and i go into depression for 2 months completely starving myself and loosing all my gains .

I've tried everything guys from cold approaching (40+) to dating apps( got 2 matches in a month) to tried being friends with chicks irl (warm approach), and nothing has ever worked in my entire like till now. a KV no matter of how much i try and improve based on the field approaches i do, don't lead to any tangible results

for context I'm a bald(was Norwood 3 so i shaved it all) 20yo man who needs to man the fuck up but don't know how to do so.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtwiAkUj5Go

Study the book and you'll do better next time around, short stuff. Besides, nothing good ever came of men whose self-confidence was dependent on female validation. Self-confidence is a result of pursuing and overcoming the various challenges of life. During which time, you come to understand what interests, drives, and motivates you. To that end, I suggest that you get yourself two sheets of paper, a pen, and sit down at a table.

On the first sheet write down a list of things that you've been putting off on the back burner due to work, schooling, or just life in general. It doesn't matter how silly, or stupid the task or idea might be, just write it down. When you're done, take the second sheet of paper, and re-write the items from the first list starting with what you believe to be the simplest, easiest task, to the most complicated.

When you're done with the second list, get to work. The challenge once you've got the list done won't be simply accomplishing them, but not allowing yourself to be de-spirited whenever you encounter difficulty, or failure. To not let yourself be defeated. You'll spend the time to troubleshoot and diagnose the problem, then start over. If you need help, ask. There's no shortage of #books we can recommend that may help you achieve your goal.

Best of luck to you.

@Stigma

My conclusion regarding the identity is that Humanism is the way to go.

A lot of the "progressives" were instrumental in forming the humanist tradition. The fact that it has been taken over by the Woke doesn't change its fundamental values.

So, for example, we wouldn't be here is it wasn't for people like Herb Goldberg or Warren Farrell.

We wouldn't be here without some conservatives too, like Rollo.

TRP is supposed to be amoral, and it is, in the sense that we discuss strategy irrespective of its moral repercussions. However, a big part of TRP can be seen as restoring a moral balance, if only because society is tilted so much towards women. This restoration has very tangible results, such as on the upbringing of children and their mental health. It is, of course, irreplaceable as far as men's wellbeing is considered.

The Humanists somewhere lost it and included women in their reasoning, to their demise. We now know, scientifically, why women must be excluded. That way, the humanist ideas still stand and can provide a sense of community and identity for men all over the world.