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Routines

Here are a collection of lifting routines recommended for beginner and intermediate lifters.

These programs should be sufficient for those who are progressing linearly on a daily/weekly/monthly basis. Once you have maxed out your linear progression, it is advised to move onto a more advanced routine that is tailor to you and your goals.

  • Starting Strength (recommended for beginners)
  • 5/3/1
  • nSuns
  • Greyskull LP
  • PPL

Diet & Nutrition

  • Maintenance Calories Calculator

Recommended Reading

  • Arnold Schwarzenegger's Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding
  • Joe Weider's Ultimate Bodybuilding
  • Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength
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Typo-MAGAshiv
6h ago  Bodybuilding

@Kloi

I have been to the docs for this

Have you consulted any physical therapists? They'd be a better resource than an MD on something like this, especially once the MD finds nothing out of the ordinary.

Sometimes problems like that stem from upstream, and you don't even feel the upstream problem.

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First-light
16h ago  Bodybuilding

@Kloi I have been trying to reply to this for a while but I keep getting told my request is timed out.

So in very brief; I have some experience with wrist issues. Building stability is good. A gyro ball will work the full range of movement. Clean living, sleep and low stress help greatly with inflammation as does a calorie deficit or small fasts. Beware increased vascularisation from recovery peptides -its more stuff in the tight corridors. You need to reduce activity if using most of them. KPV might be the exception but then that blunts your hormetic response, thus reducing gains anyway.

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Bangkok
1d ago  Bodybuilding

@Kloi nah buildinf my own AI stuff. Benefit is that it will tell you more than normal search engines/AIs, due to some removed liability. Plus all stays local.

Ofc one we communicate over open channel it is not so if u want to search for clues i can run one, 2 more queations for your interpretation.

I do it as Im going to load all my health data into it as docs get shitter plus even if they wouldnt, they are still only humans, plus women in healthcare, foreign doctors with fake diplomas, got to have another opinion and clues.

I will try to post another clues in the next post with updated info you posted, but because of some glitch on the website might be impossible, ill s3nd it d8rectly to u.

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Kloi
1d ago  Bodybuilding

@SeasonedRP @mattyanon

I have been to the docs for this. It's an on and off again issue for over a decade now. Has been fairing up again after next to no issues for 18+ months.

Long story short all my test come back clean. Strength and mobility levels are above average. Offered nerve blocker (which also double as mood stabilizers....no thank you) or surgery. With the stipulation surgery might not fix anything. Potentially making things worse. Either way just like with my hips, I was told to put surgery off as long as possible.

If I had to describe it, my wrist feel like a weak point but the doctors disagree with that. I'm going to focus on some wrist strengthening exercises.

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SeasonedRP
1d ago  Bodybuilding

@Kloi Get it looked at. I've lifted for decades. I've had many of the common injuries people get from lifting. I've never had any wrist pain other than a time I was trying a second generation bench shirt on 4-board presses. I had much, much more weight in my hands than I'd ever had before and could feel it. I learned that modern equipped powerlifting wasn't my thing. But that was a one off event. Regular training, even heavy, shouldn't cause wrist issues. Something else is going on.

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Kloi
1d ago  Bodybuilding

@Bangkok

Are you a bot?

Xrays, EMGs and ultrasound all have come back clean. No MRI.

I've been test for arthritis and it's cousins, Keinbock, it's not a cyst or any other abnormality is structure.

Median nerve is fine but as stated my Ulnar nerve pops in and out of place but that is more closely related to elbow pain.

I do have hEDS which among other things, causes connective tissue problems. Strength training has seemed to be the best solution to alleviate other problems associated with that so that's where my head is going with the wrist.

TFCC sounds closets to my current symptoms

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Bangkok
1d ago  Bodybuilding

@Kloi

Differential Diagnoses

Given the limited information ("wrist pain popping"), I will generate differentials based on common causes of wrist pain and popping, ranked by general likelihood without specific exam findings

Tendonitis/Tenosynovitis: Inflammation or irritation of tendons or their sheaths.
    Reasoning: Common cause of wrist pain, often activity-related. Popping can occur due to tendon snapping over a bony prominence or inflammation within the sheath. Examples include De Quervain's tenosynovitis (affecting thumb tendons), trigger finger/thumb affecting flexor tendons, or general extensor/flexor tendon issues.
    Likelihood: High, especially if related to overuse or repetitive motion.

Ligament Sprain/Strain: Injury to ligaments supporting the wrist joints.
    Reasoning: Can occur acutely from trauma (fall on outstretched hand) or chronically from instability. Popping can be associated with the initial injury or indicate ongoing ligament laxity/instability. Scapholunate ligament injuries are a common cause of chronic wrist pain and instability, sometimes presenting with popping.
    Likelihood: Moderate to High, depending on history (trauma vs. overuse).

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome (CTS): Compression of the median nerve in the carpal tunnel.
    Reasoning: While primarily causing numbness/tingling, CTS can sometimes present with aching wrist pain. Popping is less typical but could potentially occur due to associated tenosynovitis or altered mechanics.
    Likelihood: Moderate, especially if neurological symptoms are present (though not mentioned).

Arthritis: Degenerative (osteoarthritis) or inflammatory (rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, etc.) affecting the wrist joints.
    Reasoning: Common cause of chronic wrist pain, often associated with stiffness and swelling. Popping/crepitus is common due to cartilage damage or inflammation within the joint.
    Likelihood: Moderate, especially in older patients or those with known systemic inflammatory conditions.

Triangular Fibrocartilage Complex (TFCC) Tear: Injury to the TFCC, a structure on the ulnar side of the wrist that stabilizes the distal radioulnar joint.
    Reasoning: Often caused by trauma (fall) or repetitive pronation/supination. Ulnar-sided wrist pain is typical, often with clicking, popping, or locking sensations.
    Likelihood: Moderate, especially if ulnar-sided pain and rotational symptoms are present.

Kienböck's Disease: Avascular necrosis of the lunate bone.
    Reasoning: Causes wrist pain, stiffness, and weakness. Popping or clicking can occur due to instability or fragmentation of the lunate. More common in younger males after trauma.
    Likelihood: Lower than other causes but should be considered with persistent, unexplained wrist pain.

Ganglion Cyst: A fluid-filled lump often arising from a joint capsule or tendon sheath.
    Reasoning: Can cause aching pain and sometimes mechanical symptoms like catching or popping if it impinges on structures. Often visible or palpable.
    Likelihood: Moderate, especially if a mass is present.

Synovitis: Inflammation of the synovial lining of the joint(s).
    Reasoning: Can occur due to various causes (arthritis, trauma, infection). Causes pain, swelling, and often popping or crepitus due to inflamed tissue moving within the joint space.
    Likelihood: Moderate, often secondary to another underlying condition.

Recommended Diagnostics

Based on the broad differential, initial investigations should be guided by history and physical exam findings. Assuming a basic evaluation is possible:

 Detailed History & Physical Examination: Crucial first step. This will help narrow down the location of pain, aggravating/relieving factors, associated symptoms (neurological, instability), and specific signs on examination (tenderness points, positive special tests).
 Wrist X-rays (AP, Lateral, Oblique views):
    Justification: To evaluate for fractures (acute trauma), dislocations, arthritis (joint space narrowing, osteophytes), bone abnormalities (Kienböck's disease - lunate changes), foreign bodies, and sometimes soft tissue calcifications. This is a standard initial imaging test for most wrist pain presentations.
 Consider Ultrasound:
    Justification: Excellent for evaluating tendons (tendonitis, tears), ligaments (sprains/tears), ganglion cysts, and synovitis. Can be dynamic, assessing tendon movement and snapping. Often used if tendon or ligament pathology is suspected based on exam.
 Consider MRI:
    Justification: Provides detailed imaging of soft tissues (ligaments, tendons, cartilage, TFCC, bone marrow). Indicated if X-rays are normal but significant pain persists, if ligament/TFCC injury is strongly suspected, or to evaluate for occult fractures, Kienböck's disease, or complex pathology.
 Nerve Conduction Studies (NCS) / Electromyography (EMG):
    Justification: If carpal tunnel syndrome or other nerve entrapment is suspected based on neurological symptoms (numbness, tingling, weakness).

Interpretation of Expected Results

X-rays:
    Normal: Rules out significant bony pathology like fractures, dislocations, advanced arthritis, or Kienböck's disease. May suggest soft tissue abnormalities (swelling).
    Fracture/Dislocation: Confirms traumatic injury.
    Arthritis: Shows joint space narrowing, osteophytes, subchondral sclerosis/cysts.
    Kienböck's: May show increased density, fragmentation, or collapse of the lunate.
Ultrasound:
    Tendonitis/Tenosynovitis: Shows tendon thickening, fluid in the sheath, hypoechogenicity. Can visualize snapping tendons.
    Ligament Tear: May show ligament discontinuity or thickening with associated fluid.
    Ganglion Cyst: Visualizes the cyst clearly.
    TFCC Tear: Can often identify tears, especially ulnar-sided ones.
MRI:
    Ligament/TFCC Tears: Highly sensitive for detecting tears and assessing severity.
    Occult Fractures: Detects fractures not visible on X-ray (e.g., stress fractures, scaphoid waist fractures).
    Kienböck's Disease: Early changes may be seen before X-rays become positive.
    Soft Tissue Pathology: Detailed assessment of tendons, synovium, cartilage.
NCS/EMG:
    Carpal Tunnel Syndrome: Shows slowed nerve conduction across the carpal tunnel.

Next Steps:

The most crucial next step is obtaining a more detailed history and performing a thorough physical examination. This will allow for better localization of the problem and identification of specific signs, which will then guide the selection of appropriate diagnostic tests from the options listed above. For example:

If trauma occurred and bony tenderness is present -> X-ray first.
If ulnar-sided pain with clicking on rotation -> Consider TFCC injury, potentially ultrasound or MRI.
If neurological symptoms are prominent -> NCS/EMG.
If diffuse aching pain and stiffness, especially in an older patient -> X-ray for arthritis.
If focal tenderness over a tendon sheath -> Ultrasound for tendonitis/tenosynovitis.

Please provide more details about the history and physical exam findings so I can refine the differential diagnosis and diagnostic pathway further.

Okay, let's break down specific preventive strategies focusing on proper technique and strengthening exercises for common causes of wrist pain and popping. Since the exact diagnosis is unknown, I will provide general guidelines applicable to many conditions, emphasizing the importance of tailoring these to the individual patient's specific problem once diagnosed.

I. Proper Technique:

General Principles:
    Neutral Wrist Posture: Maintain a straight (neutral) wrist position as much as possible during activities. Avoid excessive flexion (bending down) or extension (bending up), radial deviation (bending towards the thumb), or ulnar deviation (bending towards the little finger). These extreme positions increase stress on tendons, ligaments, and nerves.
    Ergonomics: Optimize workspaces and tools to support neutral wrist posture. This is crucial for repetitive tasks.
    Proper Lifting/Carrying: Use proper body mechanics when lifting objects. Keep the wrist straight, use larger muscle groups (legs, core), and avoid twisting motions while carrying weight on the wrist.
    Gradual Progression: When starting new activities
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Bangkok
1d ago  Bodybuilding

I was busy doing my own AI server and totally lost contact with politics [changes that it'll bring to my life], now I read the most interesting changes. Big tech again allowed to scan Europeans’ messages via Chat Control after procedural trick - democratically chosen EU Parliment throws this to the bin, puppet of the FORCED CHANGES - DerLeyen - to throw - “The fact that Chat Control is moving forward against the will of the majority of voting MEPs is a farce and damages democracy,” - benefits of calling for a vote on the last day before holidays. Where majority was required, but too many opponents were missing.

The Camp of the Saints (French: Le Camp des Saints) is a 1973 French dystopian fiction novel by Jean Raspail. A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western civilization through mass Third World immigration to France and the Western world. The name of the book comes from a passage in the Book of Revelation depicting the apocalypse. Almost 40 years after its initial publication, the novel returned to the bestseller list in 2011. It was first published in French in 1973 by Éditions Robert Laffont. It was first translated into English by Norman Shapiro, and first published in English by Scribner in 1975.

The overarching story is simple. An armada filled with migrants sets sail from India, bound for Western Europe, a land overflowing with milk and honey. The Western countries do nothing but dither and discuss possible responses. What little they do, the Western leaders do half-heartedly, either with a spirit of dour resignation or with the zeal of naive liberal lunacy. The West is like a termite-infested tree, where the termites are either the practitioners of a suicidally “compassionate” churchianity, or the adherents of a suicidally malignant Marxcissism. As soon as the migrants crash like a tidal wave of raw sewage onto the southern coast of France, the termite-infested tree collapses. Then, upon seeing that the West is unwilling to defend herself, innumerable more migrant armadas set sail from the Global South, their hearts set on pillaging the fresh carcass of Western Europe. Soon, a provisional government is established, comprised of murderous migrants and suicidally co-dependent Europeans, and the new government uses the military equipment and the misguided loyalties of remaining troops (who have been conditioned to obey any order from those wearing the emblems of authority) to wage war against the remaining “racist” holdouts. Of course, in The Camp of the Saints, as in our world, the word “racist” means nothing more than a white person who prefers to live amongst those with whom he shares a common culture. Eventually, all the “racists” retreat to Switzerland, the final holdout, but international pressure and internal sabotage from Marxcissists combine to break the country. The novel ends as Switzerland agrees to open her borders.

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mattyanon
2d ago  Bodybuilding

@Kloi If it's any form of inflammation you need to go really easy on it till it calms the fuck down. Icing and warming (alternating) can help a bit. Glides is a maybe and depends on cause. You need to stop doing things that inflame it, find ways to not irritate whatever is causing the inflammation and not do it again.

Ask a doctor, ask chatgpt, ask claude.

Take this shit seriously.

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Kloi
3d ago  Bodybuilding

What do you guys do for wrist pain/popping?

I do glides for ulnar nerve entrapment already but my wrist have been bothering me after pushing movements regardless of weight/reps.

Is it as simple as adding some wrist movements to strengthen them?

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Routines

Here are a collection of lifting routines recommended for beginner and intermediate lifters.

These programs should be sufficient for those who are progressing linearly on a daily/weekly/monthly basis. Once you have maxed out your linear progression, it is advised to move onto a more advanced routine that is tailor to you and your goals.

  • Starting Strength (recommended for beginners)
  • 5/3/1
  • nSuns
  • Greyskull LP
  • PPL

Diet & Nutrition

  • Maintenance Calories Calculator

Recommended Reading

  • Arnold Schwarzenegger's Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding
  • Joe Weider's Ultimate Bodybuilding
  • Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength

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