@Whisper

The Wall[...] always struck me as a rather low-iq take on authoritarianism

A fair critique on a strictly academic basis. However...

the authoritarians he rails against (...) are crude caricatures

Consider the medium: Rock and roll songs/albums, intended for a broad popular audience. They are supposed to be vague and metaphorical, and tend to suffer artistically and commercially the more topical or specific the writer tries to make them. Complaining that his in-song caricatures aren't evil enough smacks of the same mindset that criticises Roald Dahl's caricatures as TOO evil. These are works of fiction, which the consumer must understand as such, and subject any ideas or lessons they would take away to proper interpretation and analysis. Only a fool would consider them comprehensive representations or predigested wisdom at face value.

The way I look at it: how many pop culture artists and acts have done as well or better than Waters at including these themes and raising these issues and questions as Rogers has?

he is the poster child for (...) the insane idea that problems exist, not because the universe is chaotic and indifferent, but from some lack of the political will to solve them.

Are we talking about the same artist at this point? Seems that most big Pink Floyd songs portray the world AS dystopian, chaotic, and indifferent; and sometimes map out over decades and in gritty detail the results that play out from the best of original intentions in this actual environment.

One interesting thing about the scenarios in Floyd music: they seldom portray characters as entirely perpetrators and victims or purely evil and innocent. Each has a web of background and motivations that interact and play off each other. In short, like real life, the fact is, it's often complicated.

Most pop music, like the population pool it sells to, deliberately doesn't even HAVE a deep end.

Furthermore, that selfsame bloated ego served to destroy the only good thing he ever brought to the world.... Pink Floyd as a musical enterprise.

On this I am not enough of a fan to know/care enough to dig for information. It appeared Waters may have had some legitimate beef. After writing several songs about record executives and the like not contributing jack shit but taking money and credit for the creative work of others, it appears at times this problem extended to some members of the band itself.

@RememberTheName

The entire world doesn’t have the same divorce rate that American men go through and it’s because you’re women are unhinged demented whores

The percentage of marriages that ended in divorce in the US used to be pretty low. Suddenly... as if out f nowhere... it skyrocketed in the late 1960s through the late 1970s, then declined a bit to a plateau that was/is much higher than what it was before.

So what happened in 1969? California enacted "no-fault" divorce law, and over the next decade almost all the other US states followed suit. Now York was (ironically) the last to do so. About a dozen US states only have no-fault divorce (fault is irrelevant even if it can be proved). When that was added to the legal presumption that mothers should get custody of minor children and ex-husbands should provide for "their" families "In the manner to which they have become accustomed" it created a perfect legal storm. Add in the normalization of divorce and the removal of the stigma during Second Wave feminism, and the results were as predictable as the trajectory of a ballistic projectile: not only were women given financial incentives to divorce... they were given societal permission (and even encouragement).

The divorce rate spiked; almost entirely at the behest of women who were being told that their pampered existence was oppressive. A certain percentage of women are going to divorce under such circumstances (the baseline rate), but in the initial years there was a clearing of the backlog of women who would have divorced earlier if those conditions had been present. Once that backlog cleared the rate declined a bit to the baseline rate that has remained largely static ever since.

Would women in other places act similarly if places under similar circumstances? Yes. Remember that "our" women used to be considered the Crème de la Crème of feminine virtue in the not-too-distant past. Imagine how quickly women would turn starting from a lower baseline of privilege.

cc: @Typo-MAGAshiv