@Positive-Lifeguard80

Women have been freed from the risk of pregnancy, so they can sleep around and make their own money as prostitutes. Men walking away was the necessary to reaction to that.

All excellent points. But keep in mind that hundreds of millions of people around the world have no fucking idea what a red pill even means.

The Beta provider is dead, because there is no need to provide anything to the virgin daughter of someone anymore. It's a bygone era,

Agreed

which won't come back ever.

You are looking at too short a time line. There WILL be a reaction to this too. It is only a matter of time.

There is no such thing as equilibrium - only the swinging of the pendulum (quote me on that0

Therefore there is no possibility to keep the traditional-conservative relationship model (marriage) alive or bring it back from the dead.

Yes and no. The old model is clearly broken for both men and women. The cat is out of the bag - we all know the deal.

But there is still political left and right despite having the same information. There is a lot to say about this. The more likely scenario is that the West fails under its own tolerance and permissiveness and it splits into debauchery on one hand, and religious zealotry on the other.

And as always, anyone in the middle adapts.

You can put a fancy acronyms like MGTOW on the transition, but it's just men reacting what happened 60 years ago.

This process is JUST gaining steam. Tom Mcdonald, Ye, Andrew Tate, Trump, Jordan Peterson and about a dozen other people (including some of our own favorite red pill/manosphere dudes are changing the world. It is currently an underground movement that is gaining steam.

Where this ends up remains to be seen. But it is here to stay.

WE are here to stay motherfuckers. Get used to it.

Men got turned into utility objects and women got turned into sex objects, and that's it's it. Adapt or die.

How are you new to this? Has this not always been true since the beginning of time?

Grow up dude. Ignore the programming. Reject the matrix.

The BIG question is, what do you mean by "Adapt"?

To me, this means:

• Double down on my values
• Stay clean and good - inside an out
• Raise my children well
• Enjoy life - the best revenge is a life well-lived
• Focus on good things.
• Continually improve

Merry Christmas.

@Positive-Lifeguard80

Women have been freed from the risk of pregnancy, so they can sleep around and make their own money as prostitutes.

You seem obsessed with hormonal birth control. While it is certainly a significant factor for the mess we're in, it's by no means the only factor. Also, while a large majority of women use it, there are still significantly many who don't.

Men walking away was the necessary to reaction to that.

As well as to no-fault divorce, which in the decades since its enactment has been initiated by women around 80% of the time and for the most frivolous of reasons.

The Beta provider is dead, because there is no need to provide anything to the virgin daughter of someone anymore. It's a bygone era, which won't come back ever.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. There are rumblings from women longing for the return of patriarchy, though they haven't said it by name. There may be reform in the future.

I doubt we'll see it within our lifetimes, but family law might be reformed where "til death do us part" has meaning again instead of being an empty phrase.

@Typo-MAGAshiv

You are far, far, FAR better off taking the Red Pill and/or MGTOW routes of adapting to the world as it is and making the most of it in your own life.

That's the basic Red Pill actually: Enter the Matrix, but be aware of it.

Speaking of MGTOW, they've accomplished far more just by 20 or so years of simply walking away than the Men's Rights Movement has accomplished in 50 or so years of whining. More women have taken notice of "men don't approach anymore" and "men aren't committing" and "male bosses don't mentor female subordinates anymore" and "men don't date anymore" than they ever did of any argument about fairness.

Women have been freed from the risk of pregnancy, so they can sleep around and make their own money as prostitutes. Men walking away was the necessary to reaction to that. The Beta provider is dead, because there is no need to provide anything to the virgin daughter of someone anymore. It's a bygone era, which won't come back ever.

Therefore there is no possibility to keep the traditional-conservative relationship model (marriage) alive or bring it back from the dead. You can put a fancy acronyms like MGTOW on the transition, but it's just men reacting what happened 60 years ago. Men got turned into utility objects and women got turned into sex objects, and that's it's it. Adapt or die.

@TiberiusBravo87 There's very little attempt at genuine exchanges of ideas aka debate. Someone is always willing to throw in a clever sounding take or resorts to complete insults. There's been memes weaponized for demoralizing anybody who wants a real discussion to happen. @carnold is the worst offender of this. He says stuff and then when you ask for a little bit more detail he'll ignore you or mock you all while shilling the same books. No wonder people thought he was a bot. It's because he posts incessantly like one. Then you've got @Typo-MAGAshiv who just resorts to name calling and then there is guys like @deeplydisturbed who can't see nuance until it literally hits them over the head aka stops being nuance and everything needs to be communism versus capitalism and what he calls the mega Jews which is an old conspiracy made to sound new. Like does he really think he came up with the idea that only certain Jews are running the world and not literally all of them? Come on. It's an old tale that's been told and just because he thinks he can put in a word like Uber he thinks it's different. Let's be honest. People here are stupid and if they aren't they're disingenuous and if they aren't they argue against something you aren't actually saying like @MentORPHEUS has done from time to time. Everyone's got to sound really super duper fucking smart here and it makes everything worse.