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Routines

Here are a collection of lifting routines recommended for beginner and intermediate lifters.

These programs should be sufficient for those who are progressing linearly on a daily/weekly/monthly basis. Once you have maxed out your linear progression, it is advised to move onto a more advanced routine that is tailor to you and your goals.

  • Starting Strength (recommended for beginners)
  • 5/3/1
  • nSuns
  • Greyskull LP
  • PPL

Diet & Nutrition

  • Maintenance Calories Calculator

Recommended Reading

  • Arnold Schwarzenegger's Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding
  • Joe Weider's Ultimate Bodybuilding
  • Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength
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SeasonedRP
7h ago  Bodybuilding

@Kloi Get it looked at. I've lifted for decades. I've had many of the common injuries people get from lifting. I've never had any wrist pain other than a time I was trying a second generation bench shirt on 4-board presses. I had much, much more weight in my hands than I'd ever had before and could feel it. I learned that modern equipped powerlifting wasn't my thing. But that was a one off event. Regular training, even heavy, shouldn't cause wrist issues. Something else is going on.

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Bangkok
16h ago  Bodybuilding

@Kloi

Differential Diagnoses

Given the limited information ("wrist pain popping"), I will generate differentials based on common causes of wrist pain and popping, ranked by general likelihood without specific exam findings

Tendonitis/Tenosynovitis: Inflammation or irritation of tendons or their sheaths.
    Reasoning: Common cause of wrist pain, often activity-related. Popping can occur due to tendon snapping over a bony prominence or inflammation within the sheath. Examples include De Quervain's tenosynovitis (affecting thumb tendons), trigger finger/thumb affecting flexor tendons, or general extensor/flexor tendon issues.
    Likelihood: High, especially if related to overuse or repetitive motion.

Ligament Sprain/Strain: Injury to ligaments supporting the wrist joints.
    Reasoning: Can occur acutely from trauma (fall on outstretched hand) or chronically from instability. Popping can be associated with the initial injury or indicate ongoing ligament laxity/instability. Scapholunate ligament injuries are a common cause of chronic wrist pain and instability, sometimes presenting with popping.
    Likelihood: Moderate to High, depending on history (trauma vs. overuse).

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome (CTS): Compression of the median nerve in the carpal tunnel.
    Reasoning: While primarily causing numbness/tingling, CTS can sometimes present with aching wrist pain. Popping is less typical but could potentially occur due to associated tenosynovitis or altered mechanics.
    Likelihood: Moderate, especially if neurological symptoms are present (though not mentioned).

Arthritis: Degenerative (osteoarthritis) or inflammatory (rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, etc.) affecting the wrist joints.
    Reasoning: Common cause of chronic wrist pain, often associated with stiffness and swelling. Popping/crepitus is common due to cartilage damage or inflammation within the joint.
    Likelihood: Moderate, especially in older patients or those with known systemic inflammatory conditions.

Triangular Fibrocartilage Complex (TFCC) Tear: Injury to the TFCC, a structure on the ulnar side of the wrist that stabilizes the distal radioulnar joint.
    Reasoning: Often caused by trauma (fall) or repetitive pronation/supination. Ulnar-sided wrist pain is typical, often with clicking, popping, or locking sensations.
    Likelihood: Moderate, especially if ulnar-sided pain and rotational symptoms are present.

Kienböck's Disease: Avascular necrosis of the lunate bone.
    Reasoning: Causes wrist pain, stiffness, and weakness. Popping or clicking can occur due to instability or fragmentation of the lunate. More common in younger males after trauma.
    Likelihood: Lower than other causes but should be considered with persistent, unexplained wrist pain.

Ganglion Cyst: A fluid-filled lump often arising from a joint capsule or tendon sheath.
    Reasoning: Can cause aching pain and sometimes mechanical symptoms like catching or popping if it impinges on structures. Often visible or palpable.
    Likelihood: Moderate, especially if a mass is present.

Synovitis: Inflammation of the synovial lining of the joint(s).
    Reasoning: Can occur due to various causes (arthritis, trauma, infection). Causes pain, swelling, and often popping or crepitus due to inflamed tissue moving within the joint space.
    Likelihood: Moderate, often secondary to another underlying condition.

Recommended Diagnostics

Based on the broad differential, initial investigations should be guided by history and physical exam findings. Assuming a basic evaluation is possible:

 Detailed History & Physical Examination: Crucial first step. This will help narrow down the location of pain, aggravating/relieving factors, associated symptoms (neurological, instability), and specific signs on examination (tenderness points, positive special tests).
 Wrist X-rays (AP, Lateral, Oblique views):
    Justification: To evaluate for fractures (acute trauma), dislocations, arthritis (joint space narrowing, osteophytes), bone abnormalities (Kienböck's disease - lunate changes), foreign bodies, and sometimes soft tissue calcifications. This is a standard initial imaging test for most wrist pain presentations.
 Consider Ultrasound:
    Justification: Excellent for evaluating tendons (tendonitis, tears), ligaments (sprains/tears), ganglion cysts, and synovitis. Can be dynamic, assessing tendon movement and snapping. Often used if tendon or ligament pathology is suspected based on exam.
 Consider MRI:
    Justification: Provides detailed imaging of soft tissues (ligaments, tendons, cartilage, TFCC, bone marrow). Indicated if X-rays are normal but significant pain persists, if ligament/TFCC injury is strongly suspected, or to evaluate for occult fractures, Kienböck's disease, or complex pathology.
 Nerve Conduction Studies (NCS) / Electromyography (EMG):
    Justification: If carpal tunnel syndrome or other nerve entrapment is suspected based on neurological symptoms (numbness, tingling, weakness).

Interpretation of Expected Results

X-rays:
    Normal: Rules out significant bony pathology like fractures, dislocations, advanced arthritis, or Kienböck's disease. May suggest soft tissue abnormalities (swelling).
    Fracture/Dislocation: Confirms traumatic injury.
    Arthritis: Shows joint space narrowing, osteophytes, subchondral sclerosis/cysts.
    Kienböck's: May show increased density, fragmentation, or collapse of the lunate.
Ultrasound:
    Tendonitis/Tenosynovitis: Shows tendon thickening, fluid in the sheath, hypoechogenicity. Can visualize snapping tendons.
    Ligament Tear: May show ligament discontinuity or thickening with associated fluid.
    Ganglion Cyst: Visualizes the cyst clearly.
    TFCC Tear: Can often identify tears, especially ulnar-sided ones.
MRI:
    Ligament/TFCC Tears: Highly sensitive for detecting tears and assessing severity.
    Occult Fractures: Detects fractures not visible on X-ray (e.g., stress fractures, scaphoid waist fractures).
    Kienböck's Disease: Early changes may be seen before X-rays become positive.
    Soft Tissue Pathology: Detailed assessment of tendons, synovium, cartilage.
NCS/EMG:
    Carpal Tunnel Syndrome: Shows slowed nerve conduction across the carpal tunnel.

Next Steps:

The most crucial next step is obtaining a more detailed history and performing a thorough physical examination. This will allow for better localization of the problem and identification of specific signs, which will then guide the selection of appropriate diagnostic tests from the options listed above. For example:

If trauma occurred and bony tenderness is present -> X-ray first.
If ulnar-sided pain with clicking on rotation -> Consider TFCC injury, potentially ultrasound or MRI.
If neurological symptoms are prominent -> NCS/EMG.
If diffuse aching pain and stiffness, especially in an older patient -> X-ray for arthritis.
If focal tenderness over a tendon sheath -> Ultrasound for tendonitis/tenosynovitis.

Please provide more details about the history and physical exam findings so I can refine the differential diagnosis and diagnostic pathway further.

Okay, let's break down specific preventive strategies focusing on proper technique and strengthening exercises for common causes of wrist pain and popping. Since the exact diagnosis is unknown, I will provide general guidelines applicable to many conditions, emphasizing the importance of tailoring these to the individual patient's specific problem once diagnosed.

I. Proper Technique:

General Principles:
    Neutral Wrist Posture: Maintain a straight (neutral) wrist position as much as possible during activities. Avoid excessive flexion (bending down) or extension (bending up), radial deviation (bending towards the thumb), or ulnar deviation (bending towards the little finger). These extreme positions increase stress on tendons, ligaments, and nerves.
    Ergonomics: Optimize workspaces and tools to support neutral wrist posture. This is crucial for repetitive tasks.
    Proper Lifting/Carrying: Use proper body mechanics when lifting objects. Keep the wrist straight, use larger muscle groups (legs, core), and avoid twisting motions while carrying weight on the wrist.
    Gradual Progression: When starting new activities
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Bangkok
17h ago  Bodybuilding

I was busy doing my own AI server and totally lost contact with politics [changes that it'll bring to my life], now I read the most interesting changes. Big tech again allowed to scan Europeans’ messages via Chat Control after procedural trick - democratically chosen EU Parliment throws this to the bin, puppet of the FORCED CHANGES - DerLeyen - to throw - “The fact that Chat Control is moving forward against the will of the majority of voting MEPs is a farce and damages democracy,” - benefits of calling for a vote on the last day before holidays. Where majority was required, but too many opponents were missing.

The Camp of the Saints (French: Le Camp des Saints) is a 1973 French dystopian fiction novel by Jean Raspail. A speculative fictional account, it depicts the destruction of Western civilization through mass Third World immigration to France and the Western world. The name of the book comes from a passage in the Book of Revelation depicting the apocalypse. Almost 40 years after its initial publication, the novel returned to the bestseller list in 2011. It was first published in French in 1973 by Éditions Robert Laffont. It was first translated into English by Norman Shapiro, and first published in English by Scribner in 1975.

The overarching story is simple. An armada filled with migrants sets sail from India, bound for Western Europe, a land overflowing with milk and honey. The Western countries do nothing but dither and discuss possible responses. What little they do, the Western leaders do half-heartedly, either with a spirit of dour resignation or with the zeal of naive liberal lunacy. The West is like a termite-infested tree, where the termites are either the practitioners of a suicidally “compassionate” churchianity, or the adherents of a suicidally malignant Marxcissism. As soon as the migrants crash like a tidal wave of raw sewage onto the southern coast of France, the termite-infested tree collapses. Then, upon seeing that the West is unwilling to defend herself, innumerable more migrant armadas set sail from the Global South, their hearts set on pillaging the fresh carcass of Western Europe. Soon, a provisional government is established, comprised of murderous migrants and suicidally co-dependent Europeans, and the new government uses the military equipment and the misguided loyalties of remaining troops (who have been conditioned to obey any order from those wearing the emblems of authority) to wage war against the remaining “racist” holdouts. Of course, in The Camp of the Saints, as in our world, the word “racist” means nothing more than a white person who prefers to live amongst those with whom he shares a common culture. Eventually, all the “racists” retreat to Switzerland, the final holdout, but international pressure and internal sabotage from Marxcissists combine to break the country. The novel ends as Switzerland agrees to open her borders.

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mattyanon
1d ago  Bodybuilding

@Kloi If it's any form of inflammation you need to go really easy on it till it calms the fuck down. Icing and warming (alternating) can help a bit. Glides is a maybe and depends on cause. You need to stop doing things that inflame it, find ways to not irritate whatever is causing the inflammation and not do it again.

Ask a doctor, ask chatgpt, ask claude.

Take this shit seriously.

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Kloi
1d ago  Bodybuilding

What do you guys do for wrist pain/popping?

I do glides for ulnar nerve entrapment already but my wrist have been bothering me after pushing movements regardless of weight/reps.

Is it as simple as adding some wrist movements to strengthen them?

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Kloi
1d ago  Bodybuilding

What I'm going to play with for now is incorporating some pushing movements with kettlebellsto target the wrist and forearm weakness/pain.

Weights are typically marginal compared to my actual lifts. I've used this technique in the past with success.

    

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lurkerhasarisen
3mo ago  Bodybuilding

@SwarmShawarma

Pounds. My GHJs are pretty messed up.

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SwarmShawarma
3mo ago  Bodybuilding

@lurkerhasarisen you are talking pounds or kg

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lurkerhasarisen
3mo ago  Bodybuilding

I have finally decided to methodically address the congenital shoulder deformity that caps my bench at around 90 pounds and my overhead press at around 60. (My “pull” lifts are fine… it’s only when I push that I risk dislocation.)

I’ve had to work around it my entire life. I’ve been fairly successful as far as functionality: I can lift what I need to lift in my day-to-day activities, but I’m not as strong as I’d like to be, and I have to consciously think about how to lift things that the rest of you would pick up without hesitation… maybe even with one hand.

My upper body lifting routine for the last few years has been pretty comprehensive: I worked strength, power, endurance, and flexibility within the constraints of my genetics, but I’ve gotten to the point where any significant further progress is unlikely. I always choose to stop before I get hurt.

So I made an appointment with one of the PTs at my gym who’s had Physical Therapy training. We’ve known each other for years and she understands my situation. She set me up with a new routine to strengthen the stabilizing muscles of my shoulder girdle, and I ran through the entire workout yesterday. It took me nearly two hours and I’m not sure we can be friends anymore. (Just kidding… she’s a total sweetheart.). I expect it to be a slow process, so I don’t anticipate noticeable improvements for weeks, nor major improvements for months, but I’m nothing if not persistent.

My goal is 135 on the bench, which is probably the most I’ll ever lift without surgery (which I have no intention to get).

Wish me luck.

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lurkerhasarisen
3mo ago  Bodybuilding

@Kloi

Thanks. My flexibility is off the charts, so I’m good there. That’s partly due to good genetics and partly due to a coach I had during high school who was an absolute fanatic about stretching. Regarding shoulder mobility; my typical pre-workout routine includes 25 back bridge pushups.

youtu.be/zdC674S3u80?si=ADNdv6pUZ-9sXG6z

(Not bad for a guy born during the Kennedy administration). It’s weird that I can do those at all, given the angle, but for some reason they rarely give me trouble, and when they do I just reposition my hands a little.

Anyway, I don’t have any chronic pain to work through… it’s only when I apply too much pressure to the GHJs at the wrong angle that things go sideways.

In other fitness news: I set a new DL PR at 360 a couple of weeks ago (I weighed in at 148 that day, I think), and I held a 13:30 plank last Friday. I have to give some of the credit to Danny Elfman for dragging me across the finish line … it’s all about the playlist when you’re holding a plank.

Alas, it was not Just Another Day.

youtu.be/nQusU0g9H-E?si=Xy0n08Ury3K6O9ch

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Routines

Here are a collection of lifting routines recommended for beginner and intermediate lifters.

These programs should be sufficient for those who are progressing linearly on a daily/weekly/monthly basis. Once you have maxed out your linear progression, it is advised to move onto a more advanced routine that is tailor to you and your goals.

  • Starting Strength (recommended for beginners)
  • 5/3/1
  • nSuns
  • Greyskull LP
  • PPL

Diet & Nutrition

  • Maintenance Calories Calculator

Recommended Reading

  • Arnold Schwarzenegger's Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding
  • Joe Weider's Ultimate Bodybuilding
  • Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength

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