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woodsmoke
1w ago  The Hub

@deeplydisturbed

I've gone down the rabbit hole on a few of those. Found this one a while back: www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfjI83u00nc

As you said, obviously fake and gay, however: the fact it's obviously fictional doesn't mean it ain't speaking truth.

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woodsmoke
2w ago  5th Generation War

@First-light

The problem is Sykes Picot was not a natural solution.

Neither was the Europeans carving up Africa. Or Americans expanding ever westward and shunting the natives onto relatively tiny reservations. Or any of countless other instances of a conquering power moving in and imposing their will on a region and its people.

The Palestinians got a raw deal. You'll get no argument from me on that point. They are not, however, trapped. As @Typo-MAGAshiv has repeatedly pointed out in this thread, they're free to join Israeli society as full citizens. Yes, they have to renounce any claim to conquered territory in order to do so, but seeing as they and their land have already been effectively conquered... well, there you go.

They can either set and stew in envy and resentment on their little reservations or accept the world has changed and try to make a go of things in the new order. Shit sucks but, as you noted, that's the way of things.

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woodsmoke
2w ago  5th Generation War

@MentORPHEUS

How and why Israel was established, where the Palestinians came from and how long they've been there are all immaterial to my point. Israel wields the Big Stick in the region so, for the moment, Israel is in charge. I can fully understand the Palestinians being unhappy with that state of affairs but appeals to fairness and justice are ultimately nothing more than admissions of weakness in the game of geopolitics. That only works if the one holding the Big Stick cares about such things, such as was the case in India when the British ruled.

Israel obviously either doesn't care or disagrees about their behavior being unfair or unjust. Again, whether that's true or whether others in the region agree with their position ultimately doesn't matter. They hold the Big Stick so they make the rules.

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MentORPHEUS
2w ago  5th Generation War

@woodsmoke

he ancestors of the Palestinians moved in and made themselves at home.

Fast forward a couple thousand years, give or take, and some of the descendants of those to whom Rome had given the boot convinced the Allied Western nations to make it theirs again

This accounting neglects Ottoman Turks holding control over it for centuries as part of their empire, and the British taking it from them, not out of the generosity of their hearts, but in the interests of colonialists and business magnates, who used the "homeland for The Jews" explanation to take control of the resources in that region in the wake of WWI, with Lord Balfour a major figure. The United States took over control in the wake of WWII after Britain's losses therein. Bottom line, it wasn't "bigger allies taking it back for the Jews" it was them using their big guns to take control of the region for their OWN financial benefit.

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woodsmoke
2w ago  5th Generation War

@throwaway415

they didn't "steal" that land.

They absolutely did.

That land was theirs. Then the Romans came in, kicked their ass and kicked them out, after which the ancestors of the Palestinians moved in and made themselves at home.

Fast forward a couple thousand years, give or take, and some of the descendants of those to whom Rome had given the boot convinced the Allied Western nations to make it theirs again - a feat very much accomplished at the point of the metaphorical gun.

That land isn't theirs because God gave it to them after declaring them his favorite band of illiterate Bronze Age goat fuckers. It's theirs because they have big guns and bigger allies who say it's theirs, and no one else is currently strong enough to directly contest that claim.

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Typo-MAGAshiv
2w ago  The Hub
@Butthead

@woodsmoke his website, which has been his flair at WAATGM before you or I ever even created our reddit accounts!

have some vcards!

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Typo-MAGAshiv
2w ago  5th Generation War

@SeasonedRP

People hate Jews because they are more intelligent than other groups and successful.

@woodsmoke is right about that part.

As for the rest, yes.

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woodsmoke
2w ago  The Hub

@Land_of_the_losers

Is there any way to get a dead tree version?

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woodsmoke
2w ago  5th Generation War

@SeasonedRP

I'm going to go out on a limb so thick it should be a perpendicular trunk here and suggest you don't get yourself kicked out of over a hundred countries and censured by however many other nations and cultures over more than a millennium simply for being smart and successful.

Yes, the Jews have faced unjust persecution in the past, but to suggest any and all repudiation against them is simply a result of petty jealousy is straining the credulity so severely as to effectively atomize it.

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woodsmoke
2w ago  The Hub

@redpillschool

Okay, there's some heresy at work here. And @adam-1 is in on it.

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