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I believe the dimension of machiavellianism is independent of intelligence (re @Vermillion-Rx). It has to do with using other humans, as opposed of using nature. So, if human society is considered something positive, machiavellianism is basically parasitism. It's a strategy.

You can have stupid machiavellians. You see them everywhere. They try this and that small con. They eventually end up playing only with other stupids, because a smart guy figures them out.

Something I, and others, have been pondering, is the natural limit to intelligence. There's this unsolvable problem, death, for which there isn't a solution. We basically deal with it deceiving ourselves in a way or another. A bit too intelligent, and you might lose that capability, making you insane. The mad genius archetype, the bright kid who ends up with schizophrenia, etc.

And something that I have been pondering, is another problem of the same magnitude as death: realizing that your mother is not protective, but is taking advantage of you. The devouring mother is probably another route through which bright kids end up mentally unstable.

Vermillion-Rx

12h ago The Hub

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@Stigma

Not sure. I mean many fools are useful and kept around for that reason and also I'm sure plenty of fools had parents who foolishly didn't wrap it or anything, hence why they exist at all. Fools are a necessary cog in society so they'll end up reproducing and allowed to

I'm not sure as for the machiavellianism. I don't think a fool is capable of the tactic and foresight for it. So I think it inherently requires intelligence as a pre-requsite as is.

I'd argue machiavellianism has more of a need to combat other savvy people, rather than mere fools. It's particularly useful on arrogants like shortsighted narcissists

Stigma

13h ago The Hub

@Vermillion-Rx That was good.

I don't think this is a tangent, but it made me consider a perspective I hadn't had before. Darwinism, we all know that those that survive have favourable traits, sexual selection etc etc. Well I'd never factored the mind in to that, cause y'know, physical traits help domination on the material plane. Is intelligence a genetic trait, anyhow? Machiavellian traits and methods of mental survival could develop in intelligent individuals to counter an increasingly stupid population.

@Adam-l I think that's your ball park, any substance to that?

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Vermillion-Rx

13h ago The Hub

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@SwarmShawarma

Anything to extend the time to avoid meeting their husbands

Smdh

Vermillion-Rx

15h ago The Hub

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Holy fuck this is good

youtu.be/4TspV1odsXo?si=6APQaCms5v8re5V7

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Vermillion-Rx

2d ago The Hub

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Can't help but notice the enshittification of businesses and services in the last 10 years and especially after COVID

Most employees are just paid daycare babies who produce 20% of the productivity that could be handled by fewer overachievers who could be paid higher for doing 80% of the work.