TheStoicCrane

6 hours ago

@destraht Come now Destraht. You seem like an intelligent guy. You should know that there's no correlation between IQ and secular success. IQ is based off a European model for cognitive development relevant to the culture.

It's like Blacks making a model for intelligence based around musical aptitude and athletic prowess applying it to Europeans. Reasoning that creativity and physical aptness are a direct expression of neural efficiency.

Or Latin Americans basing Intelligence around an individual's propensity to be communally sociable and coherent.

Can't really objectively judge another culture's values through the lens of your own without glaring biases.

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Legends_of_Men

8 hours ago

@MentORPHEUS Agreed. Strippers and sluts are made by absent/weak father's, not you-go-girl media

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CainPrice

8 hours ago

@MentORPHEUS This is an important point. A lot of guys fantasize that if they had caught some slutty girl before she "ruined herself" with all of that casual sex, or if they can catch a woman young before she's had a lot of sex, they can save her from that future and she'll become a good woman.

The sex doesn't ruin a woman. Society, upbringing, and to some extent genetics ruin women. Which leads them to seek fun and validation through casual sex and short-term relationships. A bad woman who isn't slutty is still a bad woman. She's just hiding it. In the 1950s, bad women had to hide. In 2019, they're proud to be bad women.

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Legends_of_Men

9 hours ago

You have to love Rollo's arguments to intelligent thought

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Legends_of_Men

9 hours ago

@Crownofstars why don't you go in with an open mind? You're already deciding what the contents of the book before reading it. Obviously that's going to skew the way you perceive my arguments.

destraht

10 hours ago

@BTrack Python seems cool but it doesn't seem valuable for me to learn from PHP. I've heavily considered fastify for Node.js on server. What turns me off to Node.js server is needing to learn whole other stacks for monitoring and managing many Node.js instances since it is just terrible when hit with an expensive operation. Python and PHP have this figured out through FastCGI for a bazillion years now. Golang however can easily do concurrency for expensive operations. I guess that Rust would do it even better with shit tons of work but its too immature for that use case. I love my Webpack + Vue for front end though and I'm not looking to change that at all.

clavabot

10 hours ago

@Crownofstars man up and have families should be the flex, just not in the west

Crownofstars

10 hours ago
  1. Moral arguments are not logical arguments. That is all. Also, the two statements have nothing in common. One is attractive (IE, girls fuck psychopaths, this is really documented. If you want sex emulating some of their traits is not a bad way to go.) and the other is not (Nerd incel shoots up people as a final fuck you to society.)

  2. Look man, the entire section "Red Pill Terror: Divorce Rape" and "Valuing Things More Than People" is you posturing a moral high ground for wanting kids/family, not risking the divorce machine, and being "promiscuous". You say: "Divorce rape serves a purpose; it ensures that women who stayed at home to be housewives during marriage are supported after divorce, since they couldn't develop a career while being a housewife. Divorce rape is legal. When men enter marriage, they are willing to take the risks of being divorced raped. Divorce rape is a legal right people want. If a man isn't responsible enough to hire a lawyer and get a prenup, he shouldn't try to have a nuclear family. " Then you say: "Men who are victims of divorce rape do not typically reflect on their failures and adjust their behaviors accordingly. That would involve accepting responsibility for the actions of others, which is antithetical to the red pill ideology. Instead, they become jaded, like a woman whose ex-boyfriend cheated on her and refuses to commit to a man because of it." Right after that you say: "The spiritual flaw comes when red pill men refuse to risk half of their material possessions to create and lead a family. They value money more than the children they could have and hold and raise in their image." How do you spin that?

  3. Yes, I am aware of all these things. I actually haven't read Sex at Dawn or Sex at dusk. It doesn't change the fact that monogamy is not the human norm, polygamy is. It makes sense that women would want the best man they could get. Also, you moralize again, attacking the source for not being "pure". I get it, none of use want to be a cuck like him, but attack his arguments logically. Also, most "academic" research is shit anyway, it is all moral agendas and propaganda.
  4. Look, another moralizing statement. Different strokes for different folks. Starting a family is not the best avenue for every guy. You are lashing out because some men don't care about raising families, being traditional, or are individualistic instead of caring for society. Some men just want sex and a nice place, others want adventure and travel, and some want a family. You are saying only one of those is a "real man". See, "real men" are too busy winning to care about people shaming them for "not having a family."
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Crownofstars

10 hours ago

@Legends_of_Men When I say "skimmed it" I should have been more clear: I skimmed the first few chapters because I am aware of the history of this place. The rest I read at a normal pace, until the very last chapter where I had to quit for a meeting. I will read it again if you insist, but I will make a point to take detailed notes and critique your work. Fair? I don't want to misrepresent your work, but I see your work as a push for men to "man up" and have families, even with all the risks involved.

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MentORPHEUS

10 hours ago

@TheStoicCrane Make sure you're not mixing cause and effect. High N count is a trailing indicator of brokenness. Women reach high numbers BECAUSE their ability to pair bond wasn't working in the first place.

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