@Antelope

The supreme court upheld every mandate that came through, so don't hold your breath.

Regardless of your view on abortion, Roe v. Wade is possibly the most important case to overturn because of the legal precedent it set.

The courts job is to defend the constitution, it is the job of legislators to make laws and the job of states to amend the constitution through a well defined process.

Historically our constitutional rights are dying the death of one thousand cuts as courts allow laws to remain that clearly violate the constitution. Cases like roe v. wade gave the courts the power to create new "constitutional" rights out of thin air, completely bypassing the amendment process. This made the courts too powerful, which has been THE major political problem of the last 40 years.

What cannot be done legislatively, can be legislated from the bench. This is bullshit. The feds have been working to consolidate power from the states by any means necessary, and the courts have mostly been letting them.

To me one of the most egregious examples was the Amish beard-cutting hate crime. The feds reasoned that because the shears used to cut the beard had been manufactured in another state, that the incident fell under the federal power to regulate interstate commerce. The courts upheld this logical monstrosity.

In a nutshell if the shears had been made in-state, the feds would not have been able to prosecute, but because they originally came from another state, charging a man with a federal hate crime was an aspect of regulating interstate commerce. This sort of bullshit is how our republic will slowly die.

Courts need to return to upholding the constitution and laws as written, instead of deciding based on fairness or outcomes. Overturning Roe is a major step in the right direction.

The next step to fix the country is to rule that federal regulators have no constitutional power to regulate with the force of law. The Wilsonian technocracy must end. Instead of making laws, the legislative branch has setup executive branch agencies to make law instead. Government by unelected bureaucrats is neither a republic or a democracy. For fuck sake, the fucking CDC ruled that people could not be evicted for non-payment. They have zero power to do this, but it was enforced for over a year. We need a real, functioning constitutional government, not this endless will-to-power bullshit.

@AFTSOV

Wouldn't it be heading in the right direction?

We haven't seen anything yet. Since Trump was de-platformed, we have seen the squeeze tightening on every kind of political rhetoric on every major platform. On reddit, mentioning Russia in a positive light will get your r/rape_roleplay fantasy banned. Asking about interactions of Moderna with 200mg of daily EQ and TrenA will get you kicked from r/steroids.

Even DuckDuckGo shat on its entire brand and bent the knee to the state department, agreeing to only retrieve regime-approved media. In response to just the threat of Musk buying twitter, DHS has been directed to form a department to combat "misinformation", which we all know is just inconvenient information. You can post bizarre stories about Bigfoot and no one cares, but mention the pics of Hunter rubbing his dick on Natatlie's feet and you're silenced.

This is going to be an epic battle. Illegitimate regimes are in power. To remain in power, they must be able to silence the spread of information that counters their narratives. Right now you can only discuss a hell of a lot of things in tiny internet ghettos where they won't touch normies. These places are hard to find and mostly blocked from searches. They are also usually anonymous, and people post good information alongside bad information, so they are unreliable. On top of that, larger ones are deliberately targeted by intelligence agencies and saturated with misinformation. There's a guy at the bar I go to that gets his news off of Telegram who is 100% convinced that the entire military apparatus of the U.S. government is just laying an elaborate trap for Biden so they can prosecute hundreds of government officials for treason, and they are going to take over and restore Trump to the white house any day now.

I frankly don't know if Musk realizes what kind of war he is in for, or if he is ready to take it on. There is going to be enormous pressure on every front. China is going to come after his Chinese Tesla operations. There are going to be false-flag terrorist acts orchestrated on twitter, and Musk's policies are going to get publicly blamed. All of these fuckers in power are not going to simply roll over and die, they will fight back with every avenue they have.

As plebs, we don't even know how many avenues they have. Was Breitbart's heart attack natural? Did the CIA kill JFK? Was the FBI behind the OKC bombing the way they were behind the Whitmere kidnapping? Who the fuck knows?

I don't even know what happened in Vegas, the largest mass shooting on U.S. soil. All we know is that the LVPD got huge fines for not being forthcoming with information to the victims families, the "shooter" had CIA ties, some of the people interviewed on scene were crisis actors, the brother got arrested on CP charges when he spoke out, witnesses claimed there were multiple shooters, and the whole thing got hushed up and disappeared like an Op that went bad.

In case it is lost on anyone. Musk's acquisition of twitter, and the coming information war to open up political dialogue in the public square is possibly the most important event of the 21st century, if not the next 500 years.

Free political discourse in the public square is an existential threat to the globalist regimes that have seized power in the west's liberal democracies. Just think about it. Right now, U.S. congressman and senators are afraid to publicly admit that they were treated with Ivermectin for COVID because losing their soapbox on twitter is political death. That is a staggering vicegrip on political discourse and it has only tightened since it began with test cases like Alex Jones and Milo Yiannopolous and moved all the way to the President of the United States.

Now, it is nothing to de-platform elected officials, journalists, scientists, medical researchers, and anyone else who fails to tow the regime narrative on every issue. We are on the precipice of totalitarian governments completely controlling the flow of information, and making the people of the world its hostages, subjects, and slaves. Musk may not be the Christ. But hopefully he's the hero we need.

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@AFTSOV

Sounds like my fringe view is held by a large subsection of people.

Theonomy isn't a view that is related in any way to any branch of historic Christianity. It is one of the many systems that rose in the midst of the 19th century American cult factory that produced every Christian variant from Mormons, JW, and Seventh-day Adventists, to the Church of Christ, and the Children of God (child-rape cult that Rose McGowan grew up in).

I'm not sure if you're a real theonomist, but in general they have religious views akin to fundamentalist Islam, believing in the conquest of civilization and the enforcement of Old Testament law through the power of the state. I can assure you that given the power, no theonomists that I've met would spare dissidents posting on an RP website from punishment.

Anyway, good news about being a hypercalvinist baptist is that you don't need to convert people or reason with them, your only job is to proclaim God's judgement against them, so have fun with that... youtu.be/n9o1x_tnxwa

@hannulv

I agree with much of the first part, but pulling straw examples out of your ass like this doesn't work to propagate your message or bolster your credibility.

You get all sorts of crazy shit, like the EPA fining some poor hick for letting the rain water his garden

Absolutely never happened. Rain water collection is regulated at the state level, only in parched Western states, and in no case prohibits collection of rainwater for reasonable use by the person collecting it.

or for cutting down an old shrub with an endangered beetle on it.

Also doubtful this is something that actually happened literally anywhere zoned for agriculture, residential, or commercial/industrial. Improper cutting or removal specifically of live oak trees is prohibited in many areas, as they live for hundreds of years and grow excruciatingly slowly to maturity.

Or you get places like Bakersfield, where the entire county becomes so devastated by San Fransisco water policy

Bakersfield gets all of its water from the Kern River and local ground wells. The California Aqueduct passes many miles West of it to a pumping station over the mountains to LA. The Owens Valley aqueduct passes many miles East of it and branches out to the Antelope Valley and beyond.

that it turns into a third world country where people build popup houses out of cardboard and mud stucco, and shit it a pit behind the house, and all non-crime enforcement completely stops.

Kern County is mostly rural with many remote areas. In ALL of these areas, there are strict ordinances about parking any motorhome or building any structure, hell even grading requires a permit. Sooner or later, code enforcement will come around to them. LA County recently went on a pogrom against people who built unpermitted homesteads in the "remote" desert, where they're looking to build a new cross-desert transportation corridor. I watched a disgusting video of a man pleading to be allowed to stay on his 10 acres or whatever, as supervisor Mike Antonovich pointedly ignored him speaking then had him move along when his allotted time ran out. Enforcement tends to concentrate where monied interests see potential conflict with their development plans. IOW this is driven not by hippies worried about ecology, it's driven by businessmen in suits motivated to maximize their personal gains no matter what the externalized costs become to others.

@deeplydisturbed

Any sort of libertarianism is ideal, but only for those who are capable of it. Just like some people should never do drugs, vote, drink, drive, or own a gun because they are not responsible enough to do so without hurting others - so too is libertarianism not for everyone.

I think population density is the main driver of government totalitarianism. When people live in open spaces, they expect to be left alone, but when people live on top of each other, they tend to want lots of laws governing the behavior of others.

When people in a high-rise apartment in LA want a law, they don't take into account more rural and suburban folk. They don't want Raoul in the apartment downstairs getting drunk and firing his handgun out the window, or making explosives, but those same rules don't make sense for someone sitting on 50 acres. Jimbob's got to drive 40 miles to the nearest town and haul back feed and gravel, a nissan leaf won't cut it. He needs to shoot snakes and coyotes, and blow up tree stumps. He needs to dig up his septic leach lines and repair them.

When those laws totalitarian laws become federal, state, or county laws, instead of city laws, they cause havoc. Some sheriffs won't enforce them at all on rural populations, but some go nuts with enforcement and create hell for less dense areas. You get all sorts of crazy shit, like the EPA fining some poor hick for letting the rain water his garden, or for cutting down an old shrub with an endangered beetle on it.

Or you get places like Bakersfield, where the entire county becomes so devastated by San Fransisco water policy, that it turns into a third world country where people build popup houses out of cardboard and mud stucco, and shit it a pit behind the house, and all non-crime enforcement completely stops.

@AFTSOV

You quote stuff, but it's not really clear what you're saying. I agree that the Bible teaches everything you are quoting, but fuck, it's like you don't know what it means. Sure there are times for war, but wars are waged by states against other states. Christians are not called to rebel against their own government, which has been appointed by God.

It seems like conflating all sort of stuff, but I can't tell because you are so unclear.

Read your fucking Bible. Actually read and study it. Read the epistles. Read the gospels. They are extremely clear about vengeance and wrath belonging to God and being part of God's role.

That was their time as martyrs, but the time for sacrificial lambs, and for martyrdom is over. This is a weird ass take. Really weird ass. There are more Christian martyrs now than at anytime in human history. I'm not sure what eschatology you hold to but virtually every branch of Christendom, regardless of eschatology, besides theonomists believe that Christian martyrdom will increase until the day of judgement, based on the scriptures.

Theonomists usually believe that Jesus already returned in judgement in 70AD and that Chritians are responsible for taking over the world's governments and building a perfect theocratic utopia, but this is a very rare and narrowly held view. Pretty much everyone else... Copts, Roman Catholics, Eastearn Orthodox, Syrian Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Reformed, Presbyterian, Calvinist, Lutheran, Zwinglian, Moldovian, Methodist, Dispensationlists, Baptist, Non-denominational, etc. all believe that Christian persecution will worsen until the day of wrath.

"Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. (Matt24)

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been. When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” (Rev6)

I think that I'm done giving you Bible lessons. But I do encourage you to go and learn what the Bible actually teaches if you want to be a Christian or Biblical or whatever you want to call it. I guess you can go make up your own religion, based on picking and choosing passages that you like. Plenty of others have, but I don't understand what the point of being a Christian is if that's what you're going to do.

But if you want to characterize Christianity, it is about the forgiveness of sins, and hope in the life to come. You don't seem to have much of a grasp on that.