Uncensored discussion of the four-year dark winter predicted by and carried out by Biden
@SeasonedRP The idea peaked by the 60s in academia, though in typical fashion Pop Culture kept bringing it up in lay articles in a distribution curve lagging academic press by more than a decade. By the 1980s, the talk of provoking an ice age was not that it would come due to pollution, but in the form of nuclear winter.
I'd like to hear exactly WHAT show Carl Sagan "did about it," and when. I don't believe his predictions on a global cooling event match the general claim we're discussing, nor do they fit your timeline.
You also dismissed that aerosols and particulates were a cooling problem without evidence, when I provided before and after pictures of this pollution blocking light across a distance of mere city blocks.
@MentORPHEUS Scientific American says by about 1980 they realized temps were warming and not cooling. If it were early 70s, I wouldn't remember it and it probably wouldn't have been in the curriculum for kids that young. I didn't grow up in an area on the cutting edge of such things, so you might have been learning things different from what I was learning.
@MentORPHEUS Wiki says mid 70s and there was a Newsweek article in 75. That sounds about right, as it would take a bit for that info to get in school curricula. Nuclear winter was the early 80s scare. The Wiki article does downplay the hysteria and acts like everyone knew all along that temps were actually rising, which is not how I remember it being presented.
@MentORPHEUS I learned about it social studies class in elementary school in 5th or 6th grade, which would have been 78 or 79, and I don't remember it being past tense. Seems like Carl Sagan did a show about it too. Regardless, the notion that there was going to be an ice age due to human activities but then, within the course of a few years, some brave regulators and activist groups saved the planet, sounds more like a plot of a comic book than anything that could actually happen.
The people behind an idea do matter. So fuck their virtue.
Capitalism gives power to the cutthroat wealthy and democracy gives power to the manipulative.
It was much better when you had to take a philosophy test to get into government.
@destraht We can argue about the details but we're on the same page that their leaders cannot be this incompetent without some evil and powerful people inflict pain on purpose. Whether it's the official leadership being bribed to do it or it's coming from outside, I just cannot believe that a country can be this incompetent in making the basic things work.
@SeasonedRP Notice how quick that they are to go hyperbolic with cataclysm game. They'll extrapolate something irrevocably into the future, and then claim stewardship for averting their idiotic projection. The only market forces that exist in their mind are the ones that they imposed by dictate. Ahead or behind the curve, it doesn't matter. Government always solves it. Then they write their virtue into the history books.
I might even be inclined to believe that they're honestly wanting to use better forms of power generation - if they weren't trying so hard to kill me. I think rather that they want to shut everything down for some horrible twisted end. The people behind an idea do matter. So fuck their virtue. I say that we burn the shit out of fossil fuels until we can find enough ways to purge the globalists. Then once we've freed up that shit then all sorts of novel energy will be appearing all over the place without them around to suppress it.Read More
@SeasonedRP Not sure about you, but I can REMEMBER news, current events, and pop culture back to the early-mid 70s. By the late 70s, it was spoken of in the past tense. "They USED TO say we were going to cause another ice age..." The mainstream environmental movement had long since "moved on" and threat of causing a new ice age was no longer on their radar. The big environmental issues of the later 70s were leaded gas which finally got banned (with immediate measurable results and short + long term benefits), deforestation was a distant second, but at least in Southern California, water was the most talked about issue in environmentalism.
Biggest focal point was the LA Aqueduct drawing so much water from the Owens Valley that Mono Lake dropped to the point where a land bridge developed to the island where a majority of 1000+ miles of the Pacific Coast's seagull population bred over winter, allowing predators to decimate their population despite a shitty fence built. One of my memories from earliest childhood was every year watching an atmospheric river of seagulls migrating over where we lived, where they turned inland from the coast. For weeks, it was a constant stream of seagulls flying by, in groups and formations but making a constant unending stream 20 seagulls wide from horizon to horizon. Then one year they stopped, and never in the decades since have I seen this migration big enough to notice at all. That and the snail darter, whose giant habitat's salinity became unlivable to them due to the majority of the flow of a multi-river system's delta getting diverted by humans.
Grade school kids would egg on the people ahead of them at the drinking fountain with a bitchy, "Save some for the fish, maaan!" Save the forests and save water were the second and first biggest environmental issues throughout the mid-late 70s. These were talked about ALL THE TIME when "the environment" came up in discussion.
"There's GOING to be an ice age!" was on NOBODY'S lips in the mid to late 70s and beyond. That is my direct memory, growing up in a fairly affluent and environmentally conscious area where this stuff got talked about.Read More