@SeasonedRP I think that the damage here is far deeper than you realize. For about the next 15-20 years it's going to be at the forethought of many people in the world just how brutal that the Rothschild aligned and controlled interests are.

Some major eyebrow raising events are;

1) Kiev attacking Russian-Ukraine separatist territories for years and cynically tanking peace talks. 2) Destruction of Nordstream 3) Ohio chemical spill 4) Maui fire (with the black curtain rollup and closed air zone). 5) Collective punishment upon all of Gaza 6) Utter weaponization of SWIFT 7) Insane semi-forced "vaccinations" by nefarious operators

Add in things like constant LGBTQ+ element of foreign policy and it really has a lot of people making as many other serious plans as they possibly can get away with right now without incurring too much wrath. The degree in which anyone so inclined can go other directions and can give middle fingers has been greatly expanded upon from the days when Iraq and Libya were destroyed for being rebellious.

Russia showed everyone that America can't just casually destroy everyone anymore. The rebellion grows internally and externally, and with an illegal immigrant landmine to blow it all up.

If you think that it's fine, then you're wrong. It's just that it's difficult to determine how this failing pile of shit is going to fall.

@MentORPHEUS The two state idea has been repeatedly rejected and won't happen. It's more a public talking point than a realistic solution. I'm not taking anyone's side but rather trying to determine what is likely to happen and not get caught up in unrealistic assumptions. Behind the scenes (so I've read anyway), a number of Muslim countries, most of the important ones, are perfectly fine with Israel taking out Hamas (they just don't want to take in the Palestinians), and that's the most likely outcome here in my view. Blinken's leaked "don't have the credit" remark was likely intended for domestic consumption by certain factions on the left. As to @Problematic_Browser's remark, morality isn't a factor in any of this. What it comes down to is whether there can be an Israel or not, and despite what Muslim countries' leaders say publicly, privately they say something very different, and no one thinks Israel is going anywhere. Perhaps it wasn't a good idea to establish it in the first place, as I've often thought, but that's irrelevant now.

If the major players had ever wanted a two state solution, one would have been imposed long ago.

@SeasonedRP

I'm just saying that the Palestinians don't want a two state solution.

Do you speak for them? They have been confined in an apartheid state and stripped of all the trappings of self-determination. Badly as Oct 7 was for Israel, was ANYONE seriously discussing the two-state solution and Palestinian self-determination on Oct. 6 or before? I see it as a case study in "Make peaceful resolution impossible, make armed revolution inevitable."

Don't be too dismissive of Africans, either. They recently gave their French colonizers the heave-ho, and now comes China with the belts-roads project and Russia with big trading aspirations. Will their models work out better? Time will tell, but the collapsing colonialist models were a shit deal for them that none of us would accept to live under ourselves.

"Israel being gone" is a false dichotomy and a major pillar of Israeli propaganda and mythology. Going back 100 years, Israel came into existence by excluding others from land they lived on, and has continued with this ever since. Even the language around it has been rigged by Israel. Israelis are hostages, Palestinians are prisoners. Israelis are settlers, Palestinians are invaders and militants. Israel is always framed as the victim and reactive, Palestinians as the aggressors and instigators. Events are framed beginning at the moment Israel looks like the victim, and discussion of what they did before or the other side's motivations gets shut down. It's almost like those classic "Antisemites" were right- The Jew will always tell you what happened to him but never WHY. Apply the Red Pill canon here: Don't listen to what they say, watch what they DO.

Mind you, most of my life, I was conditioned to take Israel's side every time. This doesn't hold up well in the internet age when everything can be checked for oneself instead of having only curated MSM reports to go by. The mythos surrounding Israel is one more thing that got Red Pilled out of me.

@MentORPHEUS I have no use for Israel, I'm just saying that the Palestinians don't want a two state solution. They want to wipe out Israel and kill Jews, period, similar to African tribes that mindlessly hate and fight each other. And while the leaders and some in U.S. schools might not entirely be dullards, as a group they are very primitive and easily exploited by their leaders. So if you're Israel, you can let them stay in Gaza after this is over then continue to fend off terrorist attacks, or you can turn the place into Las Vegas or something and send the people to Jordan and Egypt. At some point, I think they'll just take care of the problem and rid the surrounding areas of those people. The Palestinians don't want their own state, they just want Israel gone. Look what they did in Gaza-they aren't capable of creating any kind of decent society, hence my description of them. None of the Muslim countries want them. In any event, Israel being gone is not going to happen (unless the U.S. were to want that). They've tried with wars and lost and accordingly lost land. That's what happens when you lose wars. Militarily, Israel could easily get rid of them; they don't need our help. I'm just providing realpolitik, not what would be ideal.

@Typo-MAGAshiv

Saying "there's no such thing as a 'Palestinian'" is not saying that they aren't people, and isn't even close.

Probably not in the manner you think and conceive of it. But this:

there's no such place as "Palestine" and no such thing as a "Palestinian".

is a central tenet of Israel's estimation of them and they do actively dehumanize "them" (if Palestinian is a label you don't find useful) and systematically strip them of the trappings of citizenship, self-determination, even dignity.

I agree and have said many times that we shouldn't be supporting Israel with our money.

A difficult goal giving the spending and entrenchment we're up against. We can't personally withdraw their money, but we can easily deprive them of their memes of destruction.