@First-light OVERSEXED incels you mean.

A lot of men think red pill ideas these days even if they do not call themselves red pill. Red pill men are active in the sexual market place. Women are having sex and relationships with these men. This type of thought is becoming the new normal.

Yep. It's totally gone mainstream. I keep hearing snippets from regular guys. Most don't/can't/absorb all of it, most have absorbed some.

Men are discussing these ideas and taking some on them on board. Men are listening to red pill advice and avoiding higher education because its a lot of feminist guff in most cases. They are doing stuff that is useful, that won't get swallowed by AI. Men are gradually progressively and very quietly unplugging from the matrix.

Yep. Not all. But some.

This is not am incel "disease epidemic" that the establishment can control through getting enough hysteria up about the words we use to get us all shut down. This is normal men -fathers, sons, boyfriends, a few husbands who came to it too late to not marry. Men these fools meet every day think these things, some of them even go to bed with men who think these thoughts. Women are already feeling the impact on the dating game on marriage proposals, on daily interactions.

Yep. Less marriage proposals, a lot more counting the cost and seeing the traps. And a lot less helping women with.,.. well... anything,

The sociology and gender studies "academics" need to stop trying to slag us off and get us cancelled as incels and start adapting before they get obsolete.

They won't learn, because they are all on Side Female.

@Kloi Same experience with me, it's why I never to LTR and haven't for 15 years.

The issue is options, control and power. It's only crazy if you have blue pill expectations of women to feel gratitude and appreciation of who you are. The reality is that it's all in the context of the relationship, it all comes down to relationship dynamics: power, control, options, expectations.

You LTR knows you can't realistically get sex elsewhere. She low-key hopes you won't snap and cheat or dump her. She's insecure, so you probably reassure her. So she's insecure in herself but somewhat secure in the relationship. That's not a formula for passion, attraction or respect.

Comfort and security kill attraction and ultimately respect. Your attractiveness to a woman is proportional to your perceived other options. In a LTR you have no other options.

Your hos and FWBs know you have options and maybe even other women. She knows she has to treat you better, and that you can soft next her in a heartbeat and you'll still be fine, getting it elsewhere.

You're also leading with hot sex, not security.

The crazy thing to my mind is that women complain that men are not committing, while also making commitment a shit deal. So either they are lying and don't want commitment, or they behave like this and it usually works, or the gender with "deep communication skills and interpersonal awareness dynamics expertise" are actually fundamentally retarded.