Uncensored discussion of the four-year dark winter predicted by and carried out by Biden
A little vignette that recent events brought back into memory.
In 1984, working my first job as a pump attendant at a gas station. The price of gas had fluctuated upward a few pennies, not connected to any geopolitical current event. At that job, you heard lots of unsolicited complaints from the public when prices moved upwards, but very notably, NEVER heard a peep when they moved downwards.
Anyway, this very old man was there to buy gas at well below $1 per gallon for his V8 powered Lead Sled, and went off on a rant when he saw the price was fractionally higher than the week before. He practically screamed in his husky quavering old-man voice, "WE SHOULD HAVE JUST TOLD THOSE IRANIANS HOW MUCH WE'D PAY THEM FOR GAS!!!1!!!" Dude was SERIOUSLY worked up with spittle literally flying as he hissed out his angry complaint. I remember, as a minimum wage service worker with ZERO power to set prices and ZERO prior involvement in geopolitics with one foot still in legal childhood, just standing there, thinking, "What the fuck, old man?!?!?"
Read MoreLooking at "the receipts" of your confidentlywrong assertions about this unfolding situation last week, you've got some fact checking and personal reflection to get caught up on.
Try to not take this as the normies outside this space usually reflexively do, as a petty personal attack to get rejected out of hand and ultimately just reinforcing the factually incorrect statements from before that were getting addressed.
@Typo-MAGAshiv How exactly was it a shitty deal, exactly??? Iran was complying with its terms, and willfully allowing inspectors into their facilities any time they wished. That stopped when Trump backed out of the deal, and Trump did NOTHING afterward but gloat to his base that "It was a bad deal because Obaman, amIrite?"
Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize for this accomplishment; I suspect partisan bitterness over this underlies many of the otherwise unsupported critiques coming mostly from right wing partisans.
It was a shitty deal mainly for Iran itself, as the Mossad infiltrated the inspection agencies and ultimately used information thusly ill-gained to assassinate top Iranian nuclear scientists.
I do not believe this will be the case from Iran. I really don't
Maybe to their neighbors but even then what evidence is there that these fleeing tehran (not particularly targeted by the US) are refugeeing outside of Iran, which has a rather large land mass in the region?
Here's a long response I wrote on another forum in the thread about the war. The person I'm replying to has a long history of superficial Fox-driven political discourse- suck off the GOP, blame "The Libs" straight down the line, regardless of context.
"but I DO agree the nuclear war head of the Iranian snake needed to be removed and cut off as a threat."
What then of the fact that experts within Trump's own cabinet, to countries and nuclear agencies worldwide, stand unanimous that Iran didn't HAVE an active nuclear weapons program?
"Israel is undefeated when engaging in middle eastern conflicts."
Only because of massive military, economic, and social support ultimately funded by American taxpayers. Their unilateral attack upon Iran, unprovoked and upon a country that was not any sort of imminent threat, has not only initiated, but provided legal and moral justification for Iran to strike back hard militarily. They are doing exactly that, and Israelis are now feeling for themselves, what they used to take beach chairs to vantage points in order to watch the IDF committing upon Palestinians in a macabre gleeful party atmosphere.
This will result in the end of the Israeli state. Netanyahu has banned citizens from leaving, closing the ports and Ben Gurion Airport. Nonetheless, Israelis with the means to do so are voting with their feet and catching clandestine yacht rides away from the warmongering and genocidal state. The land will get drained of "Native Israelis" as they f##k off back to the places they came from to help themselves to Palestinian land and houses as the US backed IDF provided physical force backing. Back they will scurry to places like Poland, Eastern Europe, and New Jersey. Judaism itself got set back more than 100 years in the last three, as Israel squandered the sympathies heaped upon them after the horrors of the Holocaust, to perform THE EXACT SAME ATROCITIES upon a powerless and deliberately stigmatized group, the Palestinians. People the world over are now forced into the position of questioning the unconditional positive regard for Jews that has been enforced upon them, with the first and most obvious conclusion, that we have all gotten played for suckers. That will require generations for the reputation of not just Israelis, but Jews in general, to repair if such a thing is even possible.
"Sleeper cells of Muslim extremist sympathizers who illegally entered US border during the Biden years, smuggled Iranian surface to air missiles in the US, dirty suitcase bombs, and cyberattacks, are still in play for the next four years.
What right do we as Americans have to sleep peacefully without any fear of reprisals for the manipulation and subjugation of entire countries worth of people, for the gain of a few wealthy and powerful Americans? NONE!!! We've proven that the manipulations going back to the early 1950s in overthrowing the government of Iran who dared say that the resources below their sand belonged to their people, not Standard Oil and British Petroleum, and installing the brutal puppet government of the Shah, is not ancient history, but still happening today! We had the son of the Shah groomed to step in as the new puppet dictator of Iran, when the grand scheme of yet another regime change operation "succeeded." The reality now unfolding, is that though Iranians have issues with their current leadership, they are now united behind it in opposition to this disgraceful attempt to rule them.
People criticize Iranians chanting "Death to America!" as justification to continue subjugating that country, yet this collusion of Israel and America to attempt to overthrow their government, 100% vindicates and proves that they were right all along for chanting this. Be honest- if an outside country was fighting us, wouldn't YOU chant death to them in the streets? If yes, congratulations, you now see a reason to empathize with their sentiment. If you claim you wouldn't, you're either lying, or deeply corrupted with a slave morality.
"BTW I blame Lindsey Graham for this entire mess. He went to Israel without Trumps consent and promised Netanyahu that the US would help in the attack of Iran. Graham emboldened Netanyahu. Israel must have planned wargames, a few hundred times before doing this.
Goes to show how badly you fail to understand that Israel as a US proxy state isn't the product of one administration, but baked into the corrupt American political and capitalist-pig oligarch system. When it suits us, we glibly call Israel "our land based aircraft carrier in the Middle East." No amount of explaining or backpedaling can uncouple America from this in the world's view.
I've heard many Americans saying "Don't worry, Iran has no allies in this world. Such willful ignorance and profound blindness. In the past few days, Pakistan has announced that if a nuclear bomb is used by ANYONE on Iran, THEY will use at least one of their nuclear bombs on Israel. Russia has announced that they will assist Iran in defending their territory, militarily; interestingly, Iran turned down an offer of a Russian air defense system. China has also weighed in, that they stand on the side of Iran in this conflict.
We have just played ourselves, speed running the end of the era of American Hegemony. People who are cheering this attack and praising its cowardly and deceptive initiation, are going to get one hell of a comeuppance in the decades to follow. I truly wish there was some way for the negative consequences to fall entirely on their shoulders, and to miss those of us who they ruthlessly attacked for standing against this path the whole time through.
Read MoreI don't believe I can convince anyone holding a different opinion at this round. I believe he'll remember the arguments on the next one.
I don't know about others here, I know there's a few that are old enough for this to be the next one at least two or three times over, and yet... Well I suppose it's not about giving up, but going back to the documentary from earlier, I was filled with a deep melancholy when it showed the occupy wallstreet movement. That was, perhaps, the last time a unified movement might have taken place.
Everyone and their opinions are deeply siloed off, to the extent that facts from outside the silo are not permitted.
But hey, what do I know? Maybe it'll all come good and something will get through.
@Lionsmane8 I'm discussing in good faith despite having diametrically opposed opinions in this. I don't believe I can convince anyone holding a different opinion at this round. I believe he'll remember the arguments on the next one.
At the very least, I hope there'll be a next one... and that people will back off from a WW3, once it's crystal clear that there is where we're heading.
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US credibility is down the drain. But idiots see it as strength. Sad, just sad.
