@INNASKILLZ2K20 At the end of the day, people like Carl Rogers were trying to explain metaphysics with incomplete toolkit. Our understanding compared to our "instinctual and innate knowledge" is on a far lower level. We can throw the ball well, but we still can't explain why we throw it well.
No matter how far we've come, the picture still remains incomplete. What we have are building blocks people throughout history have built, erased, then built upon again till we've reached this shitty point where a lot of people are arrogantly starting to believe that they can explain it all. But do we really know everything? Hell the fuck no - We're fucking lost in the dark. We're still using rocks and sticks in a setting that requires surgical precision of a technology you see in some futuristic Scifi'.
With that said, I think the two of you are arguing on different levels: You're arguing for "software" whilst Adam is arguing for "hardware".
With hardware, it's easier to generalize because most of it is kind of true. Men want to fuck, women want to fuck. Men are strong, women are manipulative etc.
You on the other hand make a case for software, in which you're saying that hardware is shit because all people end up totally different due to the factors such as environment and experiences, and I get it. Innaskill born in Perth, Australia is gonna turn out be a different person compared to Innaskill born in Magadishu, Somalia - the cultural center of the world!
Not arguing about that, and neither is probably Adam.
What I wonder however is if "hardware" is ultimately stronger than "software". Most women I fucked, I didn't fuck their personalities, I fucked their primal instinct. That instinct is probably the same all around the world, it doesn't matter where you pick up a bitch as long as you're that man whose able to wake up that primal urge.
What isn't the same is the software. The culture, their experiences, their environment in both economic and parental terms. What isn't the same is the woman who have sated her urges for at least a little while before the hunger for my dick returns. This is the part that fascinates me.Read More
@adam-l Your last few posts struck a cord with me.
The keywords we should look at closely are Obstetrical Dilemma and the overall Value of a birth - as in reproduction.
Obstetrical Dilemma pretty much forces women to be naturally manipulative because if they aren't, that tiger lurking the background will swoop in and get those easy calories, once he realizes that the woman is under no protection AND is pregnant, which makes her even more weaker than she already is by default. In contrast, other female species can shit out litters of kids and walk it off like it's another day in the field.
In our complex society with layers upon layers of social etiquette - some of which is plainly hidden in visible sight, women are naturally more adept at dealing with the world, at least on an average because their instinct fits our social matrix as a hand in a glove. Coupled with their natural halo effect of being women that men wanna fuck, they also hold an advantage on the social front to a certain degree.
To add on to the Value of birth, which will tie nicely to that Native American number system - although I think it's a lot more complex than that, a value of birth is automatically set at the very least to level 3 or even 4. To those of you who do not get it, it basically means that a woman can be a total failure in all fronts of life, but still "succeed" by the simple notion of the fact that she can shit out a kid. Men don't have that.
Then finally, there's the argument of InnaSkillz, where he says that he knows plenty of women who "kill it at life", and I agree with him, I've seen these women myself - they fucked quite good too. What Inna doesn't realize though, is that they're not at the level that would be equivalent to the Native American number 5 to 6. You'll never see a woman build a company like Amazon, you'll never see a woman contribute to the greater good of the entire human race - Thanks for that Electricity virgin Tesla!
Lastly, in what way are they slaying? Are they the bulk of all "successful businesswomen" that have a man setting them up for success behind the scenes? I personally know a woman who's a business owner who does nothing but paint herself as this no-nonsense bitch that plays it rough and can tussle with the best of them. Only that she can't. Her business was built by her husband, who btw already owns 3 and knows how things are done. Her situation is like the situation of that kid sitting next to the driver seat with his own play-pretend wheel where he has convinced himself that he's the one driving the car, whilst daddy is the one holding the fake wheel.
Obviously there are outliers, but I'd like to think that we tend to deal with "majorities" here on TRP.Read More
@adam-l It's a coping mechanism designed to prevent us from going off what I would call a "philosophical deep end".
Humans are a naturally curious species and coupled with our advanced cognitive abilities - compared to other species, we're bound to seek answers to questions that we can't really answer. This is especially true at the advent of the religious beginnings, as we lacked even the most basic frameworks to even begin to answer the mysteries of our caveman days.
Why are we weak? Why did my mother die? What happened to my cave-father when he died from his wounds given by a saber-tooth tiger? Where is he now? What is death? Where does lightning come from? Where's the meaning in life?
Imagine a caveman outlier spending his already stressful days by adding in even more stress with this kind of useless mental masturbation. Sooner or later, unless he has learned to let that overthinking go - a task which most of the population in our times fails to do - he's bound to reach a place that he can't handle.
God and religion was a way to cope with it all whilst satisfying our natural curiosity. Unfortunately it is a mechanism that can be easily subverted and used for something else. For instance, explaining the downtrodden why a person deserves to be the leader when they inevitably come knocking and the door with the question (and probably a couple of pitchforks just in case) : Why are you in charge?
The biggest redpill a religious person can stumble upon, the fact that the so called "word of god" has been rewritten several times. This applies to Jews, Christinas, Muslims, Hindus and probably every other complex religion out there.Read More
@ships The problem with masculinity is that its core it is a vessel of utility for SOMEONE ELSE - state, family, women, children etc.
It cannot be defined as "redpill" - as in you making yourself your own point of origin - because for the longest time the painful majority of all utility a man could provide was akin to "lighting himself on fire to keep others warm". He would go war and die for someone else's whimsy wishes and ideas of poorly-thought conquest. He would work himself to death so that his children and family wouldn't starve etc.
At the end of the day, the difference between a Spartan warrior and a classical representation of factory worker - if we're to strip it down to the basics, is non-existent - they're both drones working to elevate their hives. The only real difference between them is the necessity of their respective timelines, as one demanded warfare while the other demanded capitalistic productivity.
To digress back to your statement, it is indeed true that every time we discuss masculinity, it regresses into something very "un-masculine", and that is because we're basing our framework on a past that forced men to sacrifice themselves for the so called "greater good". This idea clashes with Redpill because TRP is inherently self-centered.Read More
@ships Equality is a meme - it was never real. No matter how much you try to map out the framework, it is impossible to create organic equality without imposing limitations, and even those limitations can always be bypassed.
Say that we wake up tomorrow with a stupid law enforced by all nations across the world. The law states that nobody is allowed to put in more effort than - say, 5 hours a day. If you put in more effort than 5 hours, you'll get capital punishment in form of death etc.
The issue here is that even with these draconian rules being imposed, some people would still pull ahead by simple fact that they'll use those 5 hours more efficiently than others. What if you're twice as efficient as everyone else? Do we limit you to 2,5 hours in order to "even out" the odds? What if someone is twice as inefficient as the rest? Do we give him or her 10 hours to even out the odds?Read More
@Rian_stone Indeed. If this was real, with no external factors or powers willing to enforce the rule of "no helping", this would have all ended at the point where the smarter wahmen would have figured it out that it's more efficient to mooch of men.
And it wouldn't even be hard in the first place. Have boobs, have a vagina and be pleasant enough to drop a smile and a classical "hi boyss", and you're in; safe and comfortable.