@Apollo Definitely. For a while, I bought the whole ticket. I believed the sales pitch, that herein lays the truth and the answers to sexual relations, women and all that jazz.

If you notice, though, I have barely posted anything in the last six months at least.

In no way do I mean that in a 'look how great I am' tone. I think there are some valuable stuff in Red Pill, and most guys will read enough in the first couple of months. Things like 'outcome independence, non-needy, strong frame' are all good stuff.

But there was a crossroads I saw, where continuing to visit the sub, post on ASKtrp and make main posts was crossing into a land of hugely and utterly diminishing returns.

A guy who has some healthy level of self-assuredness, non-investment, priorities, value, etc etc, and is still decently normal, isn't coming back and back to Red Pill and Reddit to discuss women, and alpha and read shit from internet strangers on how to live life.

I deactivated Facebook, and spend more time with friends and doing things. When I was too much into Red Pill, I was too self conscious, and it showed. My manager at work noticed it.

Since I stopped visiting and posting so much, I got back to more 'normal' approaches to growth and self development, got back to trusting myself and being authentic and genuine. I've been given a pay rise, soon to be promoted and awesome feedback in general about who I genuinely am. A lot of that came from letting go of this bullshit on the internet, and doing the cardinal sin of 'being youself'.

Like, I think in my first few months I read some good stuff about what women like in a guy and the mentalities to have. Then my intuition said 'if I continue buying into this sub and coming back and writing heaps then I am probably NOT that guy'.

Put it in perspective. How normal is it to document interactions, write field reports about instances with women, search the manosphere for guides and articles endlessly? That's weird. That's autism central.

I had other things in life happen, and eventually just said 'This is pretty gay'.

I have plates, I have good interactions and fun with girls but most importantly I have priorities. Like, life is demanding and walking around worried about Red Pill tactics and hypergamy, and SMV and shit is just not feasible unless you have some deeper shit. The reason is, is because a lot of it is fuelled with insecurity and it begins to show. People pick up on Red Pill weirdness.

Value, confidence and normality doesn't worry about all this shit so much.

I think a lot of the guys are narcissistic, insecure weird dudes who love confirmation bias, sampling errors and weird shit, lol.

I think there is a point, where a guy has take the training wheels off, let go of the guide dog and be willing to walk out in the world with just himself. Otherwise, being glued to Red Pill as a big part of the your identity is actually in conflict with becoming a man who is attractive and has value.

@Apollo It comes off like an 'external locus of control'.

It depends what guys think influences results and outcomes.

The usually measurable beliefs lay in either 'effort', 'ability', 'task difficulty' or 'luck'.

People with a high external locus of control believe outcomes are influenced by task difficulty and luck, or factors outside of themselves.

People with a high internal locus of control believe effort and ability play a large part in determining outcomes.

Black pillers have a huge external locus of control. It's all 'looks, luck, genetics' blah blah blah.

High external locus of control contributes to more psychological instability, less motivation to engage in self-improvement, anxiety and depression.

High internal locus of control hs been correlated with better mental health, more motivation to improve, more resilience and satisfaction.

Black pillers are the fucking victims of the manosphere. They hand everything to an external locus of control. They are playing a different game, and one destined for misery.

@arakouzo

Some men are ugly. But if they work out, eat right, become socially fun to be around, and learn game, they can have sex lives. They will not be bedding hot 9/10 women. They will be bedding average 4-6s, maybe the occasional 7. And they won't be going home with a different girl every weekend, more like once a month. And this will only happen if they do the work.

Most men are average. But if they work out, eat right, have good social skills, and their game is tight, that bumps them into the above-average category. This is where The Red Pill shines and where doors just blow open for guys. The leap in results from average to just a little above average is huge. These guys can have fairly normal casual sex lives with slutty girls. They'll still have dry spells

If you are legit ugly or legit socially weird but not completely unfuckable, you'll find The Red Pill to be a lot of work for difficult and sparse results, but it's still better than nothing

That’s a lot of black pill cope.

@Apollo @tchower @AFTSOV

Yeah, like dudes I realise how sad it looks me posting back and forth on Reddit with simps and soyboys. Let me acknowledge that.

It was SO quite at work, I saw the chick's pic and thought I'd just make a joke.

I was cringing. Yuck, man. The level of white knight virtue signalling. Lmao, for what? Cuz a guy said he'd smash a chick???

I was pissing myself. It's funny actually watching where some men are at. So ignorant. 'Live better dude'. .

I had to post it here to get some sanity back. That was like a trip to the twilight zone.

Imagine being so fucked in the head that an expression of male sexuality causes you to take up arms...on Reddit.

And I saw the dude's post history. Pale neck beard soy boy.

Not that I care. The whole thing was hilarious. Only a red pill aware guy would see the funny.