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Everything is else is a pharmaceutical pigeon-hole in the USA. One of the few things about US healthcare is good surgeons and you can get into office visits rather quickly

But way too damn much pharma. The industry has a hold on all the politicians here

Vermillion-Rx

43m ago The Hub

Trillionaire Admin

@Bozza kava is zero-proof also. No alcohol content whatsoever

Vermillion-Rx

44m ago The Hub

Trillionaire Admin

@Bozza

Khat is not one i've heard of

Kava gives you the chill alcohol gives but nothing else. Drinking way too much makes you tired but not drunk

The word literally translates to the English word: bitter. It tastes like spicy dirt water and literally numbs your mouth a little for a moment. It comes from the roots of a pacific pepper plant. You can buy the noble kava (the one that is gentle on your liver) on amazon for like $1.36 a serving

I like it a lot. it is definitely a craving killer. You can't mix it with alcohol anyway (don't even try it, horrible experience) and it makes you not give a fuck about alcohol after one serving

Bozza

8h ago The Hub

@Vermillion-Rx Don't think I've come across Kava before.

There's a bunch of obscure drugs from asia that you don't really get in the west.

Khat is another one.

For some reason a few years back the government banned Khat in some moral panic, yet i've never even come across it.

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Vermillion-Rx

16h ago The Hub

Trillionaire Admin

@Bozza right

I do also have kava to rotate between

I can't take kratom and kava at the same time

Kava kills cravings from everything

I planned on cycling between them anyway.

I'll be careful, I have a system down I've been using the last few months

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SwarmShawarma

17h ago The Hub

@Vermillion-Rx

You know that short term effects and long ones are AS similar as 2 unicorns when they meet each other, or like Typo and Deeeeply.

PS. For a good year I could never say who is who

Vermillion-Rx

19h ago The Hub

Trillionaire Admin

For what it's worth, even though this is only my second time (last night and today) trying the white maeng da it seems good for my bipolar disorder.

I feel like my mood is better and I have more motivation than normal

So far it seems to be balancing me out more than psychiatric medications

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Bozza

19h ago The Hub

@Vermillion-Rx

You're not going to get addicted after a few times.

Look I'm not going to moralize, and as one of the guys on the forum who's probably done more substances than anyone else, it's certainly not my place to judge (not that I am).

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with doing Kratom (I've used Kratom). Or that you shouldn't do it.

But what I am saying is, just be careful. I'm not sure of the exact science (it's been well over 10+ years since I've encountered Kratom or even discussed it), but for the purposes of this comment, Kratom is effectively an opioid - one of the most addictive substances known to man, with serious withdrawal symptoms and consequences.

If you wanna do Kratom, go at it. Personally, I'm very supportive of people trying substances and expanding their consciousness/experiences.

BUT - just be careful.

I don't know if you smoke (or have ever smoked tobacco). It's a very similar thing.

I started smoking a long time ago and for a long time it was exactly that "I don't think I'll get addicted. I don't feel addicted".

But it feels good. You smoke a little here, you smoke a little there. You justify it to yourself "oh it's fine". Maybe you stop for a few weeks, no problem.

You continue. Then one day. You stop and suddenly you have withdrawal symptoms. You never intended to get to that point. You never thought you'd get to that point. But here you are.

Have fun, but dont use it more than a few times per month.

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