What Manosphere figures just get under your skin?

I'll go first.

Some content creators seem like they have a hidden agenda. You ever get that feeling that something is not quite right?

Here are a few:

• Better bachelor
• Sandman
• Rollo Tomassi
• Coach Corey Wayne

#1 - These guys are like the Beastie Boys. They seem selected by the industry to capitalize on this new "rap thing" get TONS of industry support, rip off the mannerisms and culture of others, have world class song writers, producers, and sound engineers to make the product, and get beaucoup money and rewards. But they do not live in the hood and never really have.

#2 - Back when r/atheism was a default sub, I used to enjoy the banter there. But out of nowhere this dude named Sam Harris shows up on Youtube. IMMEDIATELY my radar went off. He studied the arguments, said the acceptable words, and went after the popular targets. And people ate it up! Then little by little, he started targeting Islam specifically. BOOM! There it is! Not one fucker would acknowledge this obvious fraud. So I stopped commenting. Then he is on Bill Maher - how the hell did some loser like that get THAT much exposure and access? Hmm. Curious. Fast forward to today, and everyone knows he is a POS. But the signs were there from the beginning. He was ALWAYS a POS. My gut was right on this one.

#3 - The manosphere is being subverted from within. These men listed above have a STRONG Beastie vibe to me. Let's call them "Beastie Men". I could be wrong, but I think they are all imposters.

@AFTSOV

I'm not holding out for anything - I married a 20-year-old debt-free virgin with no tattoos before you were born. There were plenty of people who said the same thing then that you're saying now, and they were as wrong then as you are now.

These are the unpleasant facts: since the SexRev got into full swing in the 1960s and 70s, most women aren't wife-grade. (We could have a discussion about what percentage of men are husband-grade, but that's a different topic.) A man has three options: 1) hold out for for of the few wife-grade women, 2) settle for a woman who's not a wife-grade woman, or 3) stay single.

In my estimation (and according to the divorce statistics), Option #2 is the worst. What you (and all the people who told me I was being unreasonable when I was single) are trying to do is reclassify unworthy women as being wife-grade in order to dangle the illusion of Option 1 in front of guys who don't want to be single. But calling a woman wife-grade doesn't make her wife-grade, and divorce courts and debtor's prisons are filled with men who thought otherwise.

@Yvnglucifer

Fix your posture.

You are leaning in on every picture with your face in it.

Like @Kloi mentioned, better head shots is another thing.

It'a evident you are working out a bit & trying to improve.

But for fuck's sake, shoulders back, chest up, spine straight.

Chin up & with a slight tuck.

Get your hands out in view & visible, not in your pockets & nearby.

Start mewing, if already mewing, fix your mewing form.

Ditch the pedo stache like you have in the third pic.

Try a beardstache like Henry Cavill one had if you're into facial hair.

Or, just grow a well groomed stubble.

Going pic by pic:

Pic #1 = You're leaning in like you're insecure about yourself.

Make yourself the center of the picture, not the background.

You're going after women, not a photography career.

Other than that it's mostly posture.

Pic #2 = Same as Pic #1

Pic #3 = Look at the camera, fix your form.

Pic #4 = Unneeded, adds an abundence effect, but it's epsecially useless to have it since it doesn't contain your face.

You must be attractive to women first so they can acknowledge all your hobbies later.

@arakouzo

Who the fuck wastes any time tryin to show value to a 19 year old girl, other than saying what is needed to be said to fuck her?

You are mixing up two completely different types of people:

1. Good men, quality men, solid men all work hard when they are young to establish themselves. Like Chris Rock says, these are the "pussy later" men. These men tend to do best in the long run.

2. Players and boys who are jumping through hoops (or just have it like that) to impress 19 year old girls. They are "pussy now" men. These men tend to fall apart after 35-40. No one wants to work with or befriend this sort of man.

Man #1 does not fuck around at frat parties unless he has homework done and just needs to get laid. Man #2 probably cheats on exams and gets papers written for him.

Sure there is overlap in the Venn circles here, because nothing is black and white. But this is the more realistic view IMO.