@destraht I've believed for a long time that freedom does not actually exist. What you can reasonably hope for is justice at certain points in human history but you can never actually have an entire society based in freedom. Someone is going to pay the price of it, and it is never the wealthy. The wealthy can tell themselves they have freedom, but that freedom comes in the form of indirectly owning the poor and disposing them when they become useless. For everyone else, there is too much having to deal with other people and cooperate with them that you can never truly be free. Maybe 10 millennia ago when civilization was new you could roam the wilderness and hunt and gather to your liking, but then who would your children reproduce with? It's a dead end after one generation.

It's time to face the facts. You'll always be the servant of someone else. Even if you're the emperor of Rome or China, you'll have to serve the inertia of everyone who wants a piece of your power.

It's eye rolling and short sighted to think in terms of absolute freedom. I'd rather people talk about what's right and wrong, and where governments go too far in what they can demand people to do.