You have to understand that being seen as toxic or even in a relationship/ fucking a girl she knows is A GOOD THING. People making dick cookies about you is A GOOD THING. People dont talk about or pay attention to illrelevant people....

So here is where you keep fucking up Massively. You reputation/ persona does not live up to your persona in rea life. This is she why she seems interested and then doesn't...... She wants to meet the toxic guy that fucks a buch of women on campus.... and you keep introducing her to the guy that is scared to make a move.

So what do you do? Ask her to come to yoour place for a drink. Period. "Yo what are you doing tomorrow night?" "come have a drink with me." If yes set the date. If no...proceed on with your life as if nothing happened. Because nothing did happen.

If she asks if you are banging the other chick......tell her YES. " but whats between me and you is between me and you" then shut your mouth and let her make a decision.....or tell her take your number and hit you up when she decides. Women like drama...they like sneaking around....they like toxic men.....they feel safe with these men because they dont judge and know how to handle a situation discretely. Show her that you are that type of guy. Remove her from the pedestal you have in your mind and make a move so you can allow yourdelf to move on if she is not interested. Done.

45 years old...current plate of 16 months. Have also had a 3+ year plate in my lifetime, and multiple other plates who will come and go....and CUM AGAIN. Homestly there is no such thing as loosing a plate as I actually now have a former highschool girlfriend trying to become a plate 25 years later lol.

The most important thing to remember with women is that what makes you attractive is your focus on your own life, goals , and desires. Making a plate a girlfriend can sometimes ruin the situation because you loose that edge of being the guy she is chasing after and cannot get. You go from the guy who was better than her to the type of guy she now qualifies for. Then she starts to wonder what else she can get....because your affection has been secured.

 My current main plate also asks to see me more...and  Ioften have to remind myself that all that stops as soon as I SEE HER MORE. Part of your appeal is being unavailible...sorta uncaring...not making them a priority. This is what makes you a prize in their eyes to chase. Brad pitt and Angelina Jolie dated for 15 years and then only lasted like two years once married. Concluding in a MESSY divorce case after Brad finally broke down and went beta for a psycho.

So how long can it last? Well the less you care..the longer it will last. Heck she can even meet and start dating another guy seriuously(or get married) and still be creeping to your house at 2 am. IF you remain the prize to chase. I have another former plate who invited me to her birthday recently.....the proceeded to sit next to me and take pictures with me in front of her huband. She wouldn't even let me leave without a few more pictures(AWKWARD AS HELL). SO your plate always remains your plate...as long as there isnt some kind of massive bridge buring at the end...and even sometimes that wont stop things fromsparking up againif our were hitting it right and didnt turn beta.

So dont feel like her asking to see you more is an indicationn she is ready to leave...or is about to make a push for something more serious. Look at it as sign as you are operating the situation correctly.

Remember women operate on emotion anyway. She will want a relationship on monday, then wonder what the hell she was thinking on Friday. So stop worrying about what she might be thinking or feeling and keep moving your life in the direction it needs to go. She can come along for the ride...or not. Again...even if/ or when she leaves, it will almost never be forever.

Some men cannot handle the thought a woman leaving and sleeping with another man though....and thats part of what weakens them in the end. Its what makes them break and accept a relationship. At 45 I have learned to handle that shit....and my primary concern is that she behaves correclty when she is with me...and pleases me.

To truly conquer women...you cannot care if she leaves. you cannot care what she does...or whom she does it with. This is the attitude that actually makes her NOT want another guy because his energy will never add up to this type of non needy independent energy. Had anothr plate get married and come back later.......(the sex was never the same) she said. Most of these lover boy will never spank her...throw her around...choke her.....defile her....and deep down thats what she needs. Aside from all of that haha...since you have considered making here an LTR. She will be much more committed to that LTR if she had to work and WAIT a long time to attain it. But who says even if you enter into an LTR with her that you cannot see other women. Remeber you establish the parameters of the relationship.

If she is the only girl you are seeing right now...I would suggest you find a seocnd girl. One girl is too close to having no girl. Having multiple women help to maintain abundance in your mindset. This does not require any more time than one additinal day every two-3 weeks.

i said a lot......but as for you originaly question. How long can a plate last???? You should never ever care. and the less you care...the longer it will last....and the longer you will have access to her regardless.....

Context: 22M, moved several hundred miles away for college and got a good job after graduating recently. Have been with current LTR for 4 years and have a decent relationship. Very low n-count, submissive, cooks, cleans, treats me well. I maintain good frame and am several SMV points above her.

I have recently been considering moving back to my home state later this year to spend more time with family and friends. I enjoy living there much more in comparison, this past year I've been working 60+ hour weeks and hitting the gym hard as there's not much else I enjoy doing here. I feel like I would be giving up a lot of time and experiences staying here the next few years solely because of my LTR. I wouldn't be losing much career-wise. Going forward with the move would mean cutting my current relationship off.

I'm weighing my options and it seems like I'm giving up a great option for LTR and kids/family. That is my ultimate goal, I know this is a long ways off but I don't see myself spinning plates at age 35 and above. No oneitis, I've been with a handful of other girls. It is rare to have a girl with a known history, comes from a good family, and isn't completely brainwashed by the current society.

I'm against marriage for the most part and would only do so if I could protect my assets 100%, i.e. completely separate from the state in a state without common-law. I understand prenups do not work and all the issues surrounding marriage as well. I could certainly find another LTR like this later on and vet her properly, there would be more unknowns though. Looking for some honest input from older members that have seen similar situations play out.

Girl who started as a plate over a year ago, became FWB, after about 6-7 months. My n-count isn't insanely high, but can safely say there's not a lot of girls like her. She actually posesses the ability to self reflect, take critique, and work on herself. She started therapy after I told her (brother died in childhood etc), started going gym and lost weight/more fit after becoming plate. She's not the most beautiful girl ever, but is pretty, very submissive, does what she's told in the bedroom, public sex, says her pussy belongs to me etc. Cooks and bakes for me, occasional massage. She's been exclusive to me the entire time, while I've had ONS since, but no one that I wanted as plates. I'm currently very busy, and rather not spend much time chasing/meeting girls, however that might change summer 2027

She sometimes complains about not seeing me more often, but hasn't really pushed for exclusivity, although I know what she wants

I would say I'm 50/50 about LTR'ing her, as I'm basically exclusive to her right now - can't be bothered with almost every other girl, they are just so fucked and stupid in comparison (haven't told her this). My main dilemma is - I can see myself building a life with her, she's studying medicine (doctor), and has great maternal + "wife/LTR" qualities, and actually works on bettering herself. But at the same time I don't feel like I'm ready to be exclusive, I still want to explore more, but that probably won't happen before next summer (2027) where I'm planning to study psychology - which is like 90% girls. The effort/reward chasing girls will shift a lot, and I wonder if I still want to be in an LTR then

TL;DR: FWB with great girl for 6-7 months, started plate little more than 1 year ago. Unique/rare personality, very submissive - overall no complaints about how she behaves/acts. My circumstances will change when I start psychology uni life, with so many good options all-round. Same time I don't want to let her go as I really like her. But also me being non-exclusive for 12+ months already, it being 30+ months by the time I will start uni, is quite long, and I'm thinking, that it might be a lot to ask? I don't want to ruin her chance of finding a partner in her prime years, in case I decide something else by then

So I'm wondering, do you have any inputs? Is it tol long, do you think?

Background post for the curious: www.forums.red/p/asktrp/324362/caught_feelings_how_much_to_disclose/7864982/

Good for you! Seriously. Not every interaction has to end with immediate sex. And I think you have the right mentality. Game theory talks about "outcome independence" which basically means, don't worry about rejection. Even she rejected you, so what? You'll never see her again, and she'll live on in your head only if you let her.

You also didn't think too much and let the moment pass. You decided to flirt, then immediately threw out a line, and see where it went, not caring which way it might go.

And you're right, the more you do this, the quicker you'll get over your LTR. When I've had bad breakups, just hanging out with my boys at a bar or club and chatting up a bunch of women would lift my spirits enormously, even if I didn't go home with any of them. I enjoy flirting, and if even 1 or 2 women responded enough that we had a fun conversation, it at least helps me realize I'm still desirable, and that there are tons of hot, fun women out there that I don't need to dwell on my ex.

Keep going, and you'll be fine.

PS. That girl is keeping you around for in case she breaks up with her current bf. This is a good thing. She sees you as potential, just that the timing isn't right. If you're still interested, consider this time as extended flirtation. That is, don't become her subservient nice guy friend that she can vent all her troubles to every day. Don't constantly hit on her either, and exhaust her when she clearly can't say yes right now. Just keep friendly but not too frequent communication going, enough to remind her that this fun, sexy dude is out there whenever she's ready, and wait. In the meantime, keep pursuing other women. If you end up dating someone, even for just a few dates, let it drop casually to make her understand that time is not on her side, if she wants you she needs to make a move before you're permanently taken. Eventually, it'll be your turn.