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I have misgivings about a few content creators - Rollo, Paul Elam, and Ryan Stone are a few. They seem to want to claim ownership of parts (or all) of "the red pill.”
I don't know much about Elam. Kevin put one of his videos in the WAATGM sidebar, and it's the only thing from him that seemed worth watching for me. He mostly struck me as a whiner.
However, I must take up for Rollo and Rian on this. I've never seen either one try to "claim ownership", but rather steer discourse and correct misconceptions.
I don't necessarily agree with every word they both say, but they're overwhelmingly positive voices in the manosphere.
A) you fucked up my username. Twice, in fact. have some vcards!
B) a man can do everything "right" and still get suboptimal results. Ever listen to Rian Stone talk about how the guys at MRP end up? Most guys who show up don't put in the work and disappear. Of the guys who put in the work and run their MAPs, some of them end up divorced anyway. Of those who end up divorced, some of it is because their improvements were too little, too late. Others are because the wife is too retarded to appreciate a decent guy when she has one. Others initiate it themselves because after putting in all that work, they want better than their wives.
So again: you can do everything right, and still have suboptimal results.
To believe otherwise is a massive covert contract ("if I do all the stuff, I'll have a problem-free life!").
C) in your OP, you said:
If you don't have genuinely enjoyable sexual/romantic relationships with women, you are not red pill.
There are plenty of Red Pill MGTOW guys who are just done. Terrence Popp. Joker of Better Bachelor. Sandman. HammerHand. Some of the guys who used to populate the comments section at WAATGM such as our founder @Kevin32, and DangZagnut aka YouSaidChicken. All of them have demonstrated knowledge and experience, and have decided they'd rather not bother with women anymore.
I can understand and respect that decision, though it's not for me.
D)
If all his theoretical knowledge only brought him to a place of perpetual resentment, schadenfreude, victimhood, and a need to complain about everything under the sun,
The ones who fit that description are either new and still in the anger phase, or just got stuck in it way longer than most. They deserve pity and help rather than scorn.
... up to a point. If someone makes a deliberate decision to wallow in misery even after getting offered help, I'll roast the shit out of him for being a pussy-ass whiner.
Read More...the vast majority of men populating red pill space, or creating content, are not red pill.
Perhaps we’re getting into the semantic weeds here, but this statement of yours is nonsensical. It’s like saying “that dude sitting in Church is not the Church.”
Being red pilled is being more informed than you were before. And that journey can take a long time. I tend to avoid shitting on men for being early in their journey, but I don’t tolerate anyone Gatekeeping no matter who does it.
YOU don’t get to evaluate or assess how another man processes his journey.
Now if you had said “The men who _____ annoy me because it does not adhere to Rule #3 in Joe Schmoe’s Red pIll bible” then I would take it differently.
Grifters are entering mens’ spaces like crazy lately, and way too many are women. They are slowly chipping pieces of TRP content away and claiming it as their own by redefining. It is a classic grifter thing. I have misgivings about a few content creators - Rollo, Paul Elam, and Ryan Stone are a few. They seem to want to claim ownership of parts (or all) of "the red pill.”
then the state of a man's red pill journey can only be judged from where he's actually at in real, lived terms.
No. Some men take time to process. You are justifiably annoyed at some men whining. So am I. But that has no bearing on where a man is, and how he processes the information. If you did some sort of methodologically sound study on a few guys, tracking their states of mind over time, then yes - you can make such claims.
Otherwise you are saying “I am judging these men because they are not as RP-cool as me"
Just, no.
If all his theoretical knowledge only brought him to a place of perpetual resentment…. he hasn't demonstrated that is has actionable value
You have heard of Red Pill Rage. WTF dude. We have all been here before. And that may take a year or two.
YOU are not the arbiter of what or what is not red pill, THE red pill, a red pilled man, or a red pill journey.
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MrSupreme - This neighbor girl, what is going on?
DISCLAIMER: MID-TO-LONG POST. I HADN'T WRITTEN ABOUT THIS GIRL BECAUSE NOTHING WAS HAPPENING UNTIL RECENTLY. I TRIED TO KEEP IT DETAILED. FEEL FREE TO ASK ME QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T...... [more]
JFC... Learn to summarize bro. I started skimming and then simply stopped. If you have success with other women why the fuck do you have to write out this encyclopedia about this girl?
I can tell by this wall of text that I didn't read, that you're making a big deal out of stupid shit. Here's my answer: if it's not quick and relatively easy to get with this girl find another one. I don't think any woman is worth this type of writing investment.
Some of the guys in here have lives and don't want to feel like you gave them a chore to read this drivel.
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Okay men, here is a test for this tribe:
You should be familiar with Nassim Taleb and his market shorting strategy. Legendary options investor, and Hedge Fund manager. He claims to have earned 4,000% returns during the last big downturn in the S&P500.
Who here knows anything about the specifics of his approach. Here’s all I know:
- It is NOT just a collection of out-of-the-money puts. I modeled it and it fails in the long run
- It incorporates barbell strategy
- It involves “fat tails”
- It DOES involve put options
- It MAYBE involves covered calls
What else do we know?
I hate to be “That guy”, but I’m going to be That guy now. (Rollo Tomassi does this all the time)
It’s the “I told you so” thing.
For those of you who remember the old r/whereareallthegoodmen, I wrote an article in which I predicted this about 5-6 years ago; I called it “The rise of the neo-trad women”
It’s gone supersonic at this point, and this is the current state of things. Just watch about 30 seconds of this —> youtu.be/Fib95OPCLKo?t=216
Now I just need to start making better predictions about the stock market…
(Speaking of which, what ever happened to the Wall Street Bets tribe? It seems like a shit show over there lately.)
@adam-l luxury beliefs exist out of luxury but a luxury hotel loses a lot of glamour when the power goes out.
Reply To MrSupreme - This neighbor girl, what is going on?
DISCLAIMER: MID-TO-LONG POST. I HADN'T WRITTEN ABOUT THIS GIRL BECAUSE NOTHING WAS HAPPENING UNTIL RECENTLY. I TRIED TO KEEP IT DETAILED. FEEL FREE TO ASK ME QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T...... [more]
Jesus Christ. You have strong one-itis. The fact that you wrote a novel about this particular chick indicates that. And everything you wrote comes off as very beta. No wonder her interest has fallen off a cliff.
Here's what you need to do.
Soft next her. Do not interact with her unless she initiates...and only then, keep it brief and flirty. This is essential. You HAVE TO soft next her.
Then you have to fuck other women. This is also essential. Fill up your free time with dates and hookups. This has a two-fold purpose: one, it alleviates your oneitis, and two, it signals to this woman that you're desirable.
Then I can almost guarantee that she will reapproach you with steingsr sexual intention. At that point it'll be up to you whether you want to pursue a sexual relationship with her or not. In all fairness, you might have gotten over her by that point. The goal isn't to attract her specifically, but to make yourself attractive to women in general.
Follow these two steps and you'll be much better off. Trust me; I've been there, done that before.
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If TRP is praxeology, then the state of a man's red pill journey can only be judged from where he's actually at in real, lived terms. If all his theoretical knowledge only brought him to a place of perpetual resentment, schadenfreude, victimhood, and a need to complain about everything under the sun, then either the theory is wrong, or he hasn't demonstrated that is has actionable value.
While that's an interesting idea, have you ever considered that the guys you've noticed who're completely unable to advance beyond the anger stage of grief after taking the red pill might simply be Gamma's?
