How to balance being the alpha and being authentic? In my journey the red pill main thing for me was finding my internal validation - first not being ashamed of wanting the sex second finding general internal validation instead of trying put myself in standarts defined by others. I understand that natural selection play to the benefit of alpha, but lately I try to search for my own validation more, i did boxing and military training got jacked, did some other things which were basically for my own independence in order to feel okay without female aproval which is most important thing for me as my agency and freedom goes. Lately I feel that being honest instead of putting game is less rewarding but feels more okay to me - like handling shit tests, I know the theory, but just I don't want to pretend to be someone i'm not in order to jump through hoops. Anyone had same thoughts? Is redpill more about internal locus of control or PUA stuff, I guess its both.

@First-light I watched the documentary and the starkest takeaway from it happened to be how insecure Sneako, Myron, HS and the other guy all were.

Doesn’t help that Louis has the most unflappable personality going, he’ll ask a question and let it hang for eternity waiting for the answer. The fact they raced to fill his silence and their defensive answers was just embarrassing.

But, I would argue that what Theroux investigated was the colloquial manosphere as talked about in the mainstream. The guys selling all of this, the pyramid schemes etc. Louis was shaking the foundations of their business, which just so happens to be this facade of an unshakeable ego. Double kill.

Now if he had of investigated the red pill, he might have found the note sharing, thought provoking, quiet red pill that men come and go from.

I don’t see that we should share any sympathy for the targets of this Theroux documentary not least because they aren’t representative of the wider TRP knowledge base or actionable advice, but because they’re chancers and grifters getting rich off the insecurity they claim to solve.

Fuck ‘um

@lurkerhasarisen Here is an interesting one. Are we saying that loyalty and care for those under you are beta traits?

Alcibiades had all of the alpha traits but he was very self interested. Dragging his wife out of court when she tried to divorce him amuses the school boy in me but it also suggests a lack of ability to resolve things sensibly. If he was really all that good at being alpha and making women submissive why did she take him to court in the first place to divorce him for his whoring?

If we are taking what I call the "fake alpha stance" some manosphere "teachers" are promoting, shouldn't she, in a state where women had almost no legal rights and there was no femtardation, have said "whatever makes you happy Chad, can I join a threesome, I find the idea of you doing other girls makes me so hot?" He failed in leadership there. His actions provoked mutiny. He just lived in an age where you could get away with it if you were an influential guy.

Alcibiades was essentially selfish. Being uber Chad maybe never gave him much need to think of others but he was a charming traitor in the end. And that's what got him killed. I mean seriously, who defects to Sparta and thanks them for accepting him by shagging the queen? He came up short in the end. He possessed all the gifts of manliness except self control. He just thought too much of himself and not enough of others.

I would like to suggest that what he lacked in self control and empathy was where he fell short of having the whole apha deck. I would like to suggest that empathy and self control are not beta traits unless used by a beta mind.

Low ranking men learn to control themselves better than many high raking men because they are forced to. Low ranking men often have to be thoughtful of others because they lack power but that does not actually make those characteristics weak, its just that low ranking men are in a weak position to start. Its just like saying women are not all sweet and kind. In fact plain women tend to be sweeter and kinder than hot women because they have less options.

Low ranking men often look with jealousy at high ranking men and think "I wish I could be a selfish dick too, that would be so high status (alpha)" What they are not seeing is that they are looking at failure not success when they see these things. A good leader does not unnecessarily injure his subjects. There are times when one has to act against the interests of subjects but these times are when you are forced by circumstance or by a greater opportunity for a greater number.

Being kind and self controlled are part of being a successful high status man. I wouddl argue that when done well they are Alpha traits, just as dominance needs to be done well or its only aggression. A low status dog will cower under a table and bite you from fear. That is badly used aggression. Its not alpha its gamma or delta behaviour. Similarly a low status man against whom you have the upper hand verbally and legally may punch you because that is all he has left. It may landing in jail but he is desperate. In fact come to think of it most domestic violence against women is done by low to mid ranking, whom the women are forcing or humiliating. Its not that the guy is so alpha that he is a danger to women, it because he is not alpha enough to ignore her, roll over and go to sleep.