How to handle bitch tried to manipulate me?
in the past, several times in the talking stage, I met some girls who tend to be manipulative, I'm aware of AWALT, all girls are manipulative, but I could say this was in a worse possible manipulation. I know people in this forums proly will assume it as a shit test and give me advice to do amused mastery or any that will pass her shit tests, but I guess there is a thin line between giving shit tests and manipulating me to do as she wanted (in this scenario, its more like obvious disrespect).
The pattern that I got was usually the girl act flirty / submissive in the first phase, once I try to escalate they tend to withdraw, then sometimes threw some random tantrums, personal insults to me (tried to belittle me), and from what I've seen, they assumed I already have a feeling for her after acted flirty, so they "expected" me to give her attention or ask whats wrong when they withdraw or doing any stupid tantrums, which I didn't do. Most of the times, I ignore it. At this point, I still assumed it as she was giving me a shit test. As I wasn't affected at all by her actions, I overheard her talking to her friend that she was frustrated that I did not give her "angry" reaction, and I assumed as a "win". Then unexpectedly, she was gaining allies with her friends, flipped the script like she was the victim. Yeah even her friends believed her, tried to sue me and spread the narrative. I know where this was possibly going, they could tell to my supervisor like she was the victim. At this point, my mind was telling me this is enough, and this is just obvious disrespect. I called her behavior, then she flipped the script again, and called me too sensitive which I ignored, and then reminded her again to not throw any stupid tantrums. After that, I rarely talked to her and kept it super formal and act like I was submissive beta (not doing what she wanted but more like not doing any teasing just keep it super formal), so she got bored and won't manipulate me again. Didn't do any teasing or what so ever after that scenario. It was a non formal work context 1 year ago, but I already left it.
I've seen a lot of women did this in work contexts so they just barely doing any work, and let the beta doing the work for her (which I fucking hate it). From what I've seen, TRP advised to game all women, but sometimes I have hard times differing shit tests and disrespect. Those 2 contexts are best responded as same as responding shit test, but at what costs? I dont think its worth it if I deal with women who tend to have any underlying issues that lead me to unwanted serious scenario like the above. Did I do the right thing by doing all of that?
Adding to that, from my observation, I assumed she has some NPD tendencies, which why she tried to manipulate me. I know, any behavior that called the NPD behavior just make things worse and they wont admit it. Thats why I ignore them (which also the proper response to those shitty behavior), just act like I was submissive to her even though I feel like beta shit sometimes, but after time, I feel like I wanted to do revenge toward that stupid bitch, feeling upset, feeling angry, but those kind of reactions if I were doing that, it's guaranteed to make things worse toward NPD. Relating to that, I have NPD mom, which made me a codependent beta man when I was high school, but called it out to my mom and lashed it all out after I realized my mom often did any NPD behavior since I was a child.
Due to that, whenever I met any NPD girls (which was a clear red flag, but it was unseen at first), my PTSD triggers me and I always want to lash them which is not proper response and they could immediately play the victim card, but if I didnt do anything that could attack the NPD, my mind always goes crazy telling me, "why didn't you lash at her so she could face the consequences??". I know a bit personal, but I just fucking hate it whenver it was work context, but there was a crazy bitch that plays this game and she knows she could flip the script anytime.
Is it just my ego trying to dominate her shitty behavior? I already knew if "ignore" was the proper answer to face NPD, but after I rarely meet the person again I always feel angry that I should have made her feel the consequences.
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Read MoreLeveling up my social status and game?
I (23 M) have been into the red pill philosophy since 2020. Since then, I’ve been consistently working on self-improvement — reading books, leveling up my social skills, understanding shit tests, staying in my frame, trying not to be a nice guy, being assertive, hitting the gym, taking care of my appearance to the point where I once reached 15% body fat, etc.
I know that’s not extremely lean, but at that point, I got a lot of attention from both women and even men, especially because I used to be obese back in high school. The way society treated me changed drastically — a full 180. People started calling me attractive, maybe because I have an angular face shape, which started to show more clearly at 15% body fat. I could've pushed to 12% if I had gone through an extreme cut, but to be honest, it was too difficult for me. Now I'm around 20% body fat (80 kg at 5'9" / 175 cm). I'm currently looking to elevate my social status even more.
I understand that women are generally attracted to high-status men — the kind who are desired by other women and respected by other men. I'm in the final semester of my studies and about to graduate. So far, I've built a solid group of male friends who respect me and are tight-knit. But I feel like I don't have many female friends who are conventionally attractive (HB 7–9). There are probably several girls in my department who secretly like me, but most of them aren't really my type (around HB 5–6). I want to level up my game by improving my social status through increasing my competence, social skills, finances after graduation, and even improving my Instagram presence (right now I only have around 330 followers).
From what I know, social status can be built by offering valuable information to your tribe, organizing social events, having resources (not to attract gold diggers — it’s just a fact that all genders value this), being a linchpin (the go-to guy in many situations), and having access to high-value individuals. I'm currently planning to apply for the special officer entrance exam for graduates. I know it might sound shallow, but in my country, police officers — especially those who start from officer ranks — tend to be respected, and many women are attracted to the stable lifestyle and benefits guaranteed by the state.
The main reason I'm choosing this path is not to attract gold diggers, but because becoming a police officer would give me life stability — with guaranteed income and benefits until old age. In my country, police also tend to have access to valuable information and build strong networks with important people, giving them access to high-value individuals. Yes, it might sound shallow, but my reasoning is based more on practicality: I won’t have to worry about getting laid off like in corporate jobs, and the position is relatively secure even if it doesn’t make me rich.
Aside from that, I’ve inherited a business from my parents that still has the potential to generate good income. I plan to run that as a side hustle once I become an officer. And since police work here isn’t as time-consuming as working in high-pressure startups, I’ll be able to allocate more time to level up my game with women and also focus on that business. I live in a third-world SEA country where most women still value and uphold the patriarchy — very different from the U.S., where feminism dominates and government workers are often made to bend to manipulative women.
With that being said, what should I start preparing now to build high social status in the police environment (assuming I make it to the officer training camp), so I can level up my game, raise my social value, befriending in high value social circles and attract or at least befriend more attractive women?
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Read MoreDifficulty in distinguishing between a shit test and a genuine complaint.
I once shared a community service experience where there was a girl who acted however she liked (https://trp.red/t/1dzp). Is it true that when a girl makes a big deal out of small things, almost as if big things are a problem, it's a form of a shit test? Sometimes, in certain moments, like when I was asked by another friend if I could play guitar, and I said no, the girl who acted however she liked said, 'Then learn it.' in a demeaning way. I mean, not everything can be done by us, but during the activities, she would often tease me with trivial issues that she made a problem, and I would just ignore it and act indifferent. Then, after some time, she would talk to me again as if nothing had happened.
For instance, I asked if she had prepared the attendance list for a presentation during the community service event, and she responded, 'You were called by the man (from the village in the event), but you didn’t listen?' (Even though the man was just asking casually, and my friend answered him—no big deal). She said it in an angry tone, and I was a bit confused. I replied, 'Why are you always angry?' She responded in a feminine tone, saying, 'I’m not angry.'
Besides that, she often tried to provoke my emotions with passive-aggressive behavior, but I would usually ignore her because I knew that if I reacted, she would turn the tables and act like the victim, even though she was the one who provoked me first with passive-aggressive behavior. I often ignored her, even though at first, I thought she was bringing up urgent issues. But when I didn’t pay attention to her, after throwing a tantrum, she would talk to me again in a normal tone as if nothing happened.
Is everything I’ve described a form of a shit test? Because the context is semi-formal (community service), where the team needs to succeed in the program, and as the leader, I sometimes find it difficult to separate whether her complaints are truly urgent or not. But over time, I’ve come to assume that she is more playing games with me. Compared to the other members of my team, they are more formal and present complaints in a more formal manner, unlike this girl. In fact, another female member of the team thought I was somewhat close to her and that something romantic might happen, even though I never thought about it in that way, as I was focused on the bigger objectives of the group.
Then, at the end of the event, she told me that I was too stubborn and unwilling to compromise. But if I reflect on all the tantrums and complaints she gave, they were generally informal and confusing, and again, I ignored her. But afterward, when the event was over and we had a team dinner, she said that our team was better than the others because the other team had more shortcomings. (This was somewhat contradictory to what she had said to me earlier.)
I have been applying the red pill principle for a long time, but before this community service event, I always separated my professional environment from the environment where I could act freely with women outside of the professional setting. What I found a bit challenging in this experience was context switching between being professional or playful. I don’t want to take risks if something goes wrong because I am the leader of this team.
Edit: My current answer is by maintaining frame, I always shut down her complaints by ignoring her, staying friendly and formal as formal as I can be. Don't want to risk any bigger potential problem thrown at me.
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