adam-l
10 hours ago The Public Square
I think you two agree. Both talking about the political use of humon vs power.
MentORPHEUS
11 hours ago The Dark Winter
This book has an interesting take on the humans cause an ice age trope that I think people here would enjoy. Radical environmentalists come to power and enact a luddite energy policy to combat global warming, which ironically triggers a new ice age and rapid glaciation. The heroes work to rescue two space station crewmen shot down by the luddites in power and return them with a variety of much needed provisions, which means trying to cobble together a functional rocket in a post-technical age. The space station has come to represent a sanctuary of Libertarian and scientific minded people. Amazon link as the website kept breaking the first one I tried.
MentORPHEUS
11 hours ago The Public Square
The fact that you have to resort to humor means it's already dysfunctional
Bruh... it's a funny song about a then-current event, you're supposed to just enjoy it or not for what it is and leave it at that.
This comment is like a wack Amazon review. It's not all serious and integrated with the author's life and values like that classic Mein Kampf. Don't know how people can read this drivel. 1/5 stars for this jester level shit.
MentORPHEUS
12 hours ago The Dark Winter
@SeasonedRP and @destraht's point is that the elites went along with a narrative because it was convenient for them to take more control over people long before there was enough evidence that their models were right.
And my main thesis remains, it wasn't a fucking narrative, the particulates and aerosols actually were visibly blocking out the sun as seen by everyone with eyes and memory of how the air quality goes over the years where they live, and a measured multi-decadal cooling trend across large areas started to emerge despite the constantly rising CO2.
MentORPHEUS
13 hours ago The Public Square
Harking back to a time when the Supreme Court made another landmark decision that was very controversial and talked about in its day back in the 60s, genius comedian Tom Lehrer comes out in favor of smut and porn and presents this as a protest/marching anthem.
How the Supreme Court ruled on pornography back then is not unlike the Roe V Wade decision, in that it allows local communities more granularity to decide what their local standards shall be. Humor is such a great tool in politics and social commentary and change.
MentORPHEUS
13 hours ago The Dark Winter
@slutmagazine The book and movie were about global warming so yeah. If you meant to ask if he talked about global cooling in there I couldn't answer because I haven't watched/read it.
MentORPHEUS
16 hours ago The Dark Winter
@SeasonedRP The idea peaked by the 60s in academia, though in typical fashion Pop Culture kept bringing it up in lay articles in a distribution curve lagging academic press by more than a decade. By the 1980s, the talk of provoking an ice age was not that it would come due to pollution, but in the form of nuclear winter.
I'd like to hear exactly WHAT show Carl Sagan "did about it," and when. I don't believe his predictions on a global cooling event match the general claim we're discussing, nor do they fit your timeline.
You also dismissed that aerosols and particulates were a cooling problem without evidence, when I provided before and after pictures of this pollution blocking light across a distance of mere city blocks.
TheRedPike
18 hours ago The Public Square
@slutmagazine www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-shootings-including-kids-killed
MentORPHEUS
21 hours ago The Dark Winter
@SeasonedRP Not sure about you, but I can REMEMBER news, current events, and pop culture back to the early-mid 70s. By the late 70s, it was spoken of in the past tense. "They USED TO say we were going to cause another ice age..." The mainstream environmental movement had long since "moved on" and threat of causing a new ice age was no longer on their radar. The big environmental issues of the later 70s were leaded gas which finally got banned (with immediate measurable results and short + long term benefits), deforestation was a distant second, but at least in Southern California, water was the most talked about issue in environmentalism.
Biggest focal point was the LA Aqueduct drawing so much water from the Owens Valley that Mono Lake dropped to the point where a land bridge developed to the island where a majority of 1000+ miles of the Pacific Coast's seagull population bred over winter, allowing predators to decimate their population despite a shitty fence built. One of my memories from earliest childhood was every year watching an atmospheric river of seagulls migrating over where we lived, where they turned inland from the coast. For weeks, it was a constant stream of seagulls flying by, in groups and formations but making a constant unending stream 20 seagulls wide from horizon to horizon. Then one year they stopped, and never in the decades since have I seen this migration big enough to notice at all. That and the snail darter, whose giant habitat's salinity became unlivable to them due to the majority of the flow of a multi-river system's delta getting diverted by humans.
Grade school kids would egg on the people ahead of them at the drinking fountain with a bitchy, "Save some for the fish, maaan!" Save the forests and save water were the second and first biggest environmental issues throughout the mid-late 70s. These were talked about ALL THE TIME when "the environment" came up in discussion.
"There's GOING to be an ice age!" was on NOBODY'S lips in the mid to late 70s and beyond. That is my direct memory, growing up in a fairly affluent and environmentally conscious area where this stuff got talked about.
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