@Stigma

My conclusion regarding the identity is that Humanism is the way to go.

A lot of the "progressives" were instrumental in forming the humanist tradition. The fact that it has been taken over by the Woke doesn't change its fundamental values.

So, for example, we wouldn't be here is it wasn't for people like Herb Goldberg or Warren Farrell.

We wouldn't be here without some conservatives too, like Rollo.

TRP is supposed to be amoral, and it is, in the sense that we discuss strategy irrespective of its moral repercussions. However, a big part of TRP can be seen as restoring a moral balance, if only because society is tilted so much towards women. This restoration has very tangible results, such as on the upbringing of children and their mental health. It is, of course, irreplaceable as far as men's wellbeing is considered.

The Humanists somewhere lost it and included women in their reasoning, to their demise. We now know, scientifically, why women must be excluded. That way, the humanist ideas still stand and can provide a sense of community and identity for men all over the world.

@adam-l

In the face of all this, why the fuck would I draw identity from and identify with such a huge and variant group as "the whites".

You absolutely shouldn’t. Which is coincidentally why Lionsmane was getting called out so often. Blaming a disparate collection of “white people” for the wrongs of the world is essentially retarded, and doesn’t deserve a deeper discussion because no one has really been identified within that criticism. It is a progressive generalisation used to propagate mind rot like critical race theory, adopted by self-proclaimed enemies of the west like islamists in order to undermine and serve their own goals.

But there upon we should identify the deeper value lost in our rejection of their generalisation- that of a collective identity. If not “whites”, then what? Europeans? Anglos? Or is it only possible to separate ourselves from the crimes of TPTB why stripping ourselves down to individualism? Are we a collective within that identity? Why are we even moved to reconsider our own identity against the backdrop of being grouped in with maniacs and genociders just because they share the same skin tone as us.

I say we’re free to claim our identity without having to step into the progressive variation and/or generalisation of said identity, lest they continue to dismantle our communities and families to the point we no longer have a shared identity.

@Typo-MAGAshiv

OK here's how I see it.

There is a multi-billion dollar industry, plus the hard core of about all the countries in the world, spearheaded by the Anglo-Saxons, that has been pushing a bogus gender theory for the past half a century or more. About 100% of the huge movie industry is single-mindedly focused on pushing that narrative. They have destroyed the lives and mental health of millions of people.

And we're just a bunch of guys, basing ourselves on the research of a handful of spergy evolutionary psychologists and our own experience, that have countered that huge narrative successfully: boys growing up now have an alternative, even if they still need to be lucky to bump onto it.

What we've done is the equivalent of taking over an aircraft carrier with an AK-47.

In the face of all this, why the fuck would I draw identity from and identify with such a huge and variant group as "the whites".

Take a page out of Einstein's book: "Although I am a typical loner in daily life, my consciousness of belonging to the invisible community of those who strive for truth, beauty, and justice has preserved me from feeling isolated"