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@lurkerhasarisen

while the cops are the last responders.

It varies. When my wife was a cop, she'd occasionally beat the firefighters and paramedics to scenes. A lot depends on who is closer.

And of course, because life's like that, the scenes where she beat them were ones where there was a fire and/or injured people, and the scenes when the cops were beaten there were when there was violence in progress.

[Late insertion - I originally missed where you said "The people on the scene are the first responders", but I'm not deleting all the stuff I said]

[the rest]

I'm with you, that you and I should be allowed to have better firearms as well. Let the cops and law-abiding citizens have them.

If I'm coming across as having a low opinion of civilian cops, it's because I do. I've known a few good ones, but I've known far too many idiots, bullies, and scumbags to think highly of them as a group.

They're people too, and all people suck.

@lurkerhasarisen

@Chantfire

Why TF do civilian cops need military weapons? I hate that the phrase "military and law enforcement" is treated as normal... two similar aspects of the same entity. I'm not convinced that civilian cops should have instant access to lethal weapons when there are so many non-lethal ways to handle situations available to them. If there's a legitimate law enforcement use for a fully automatic weapon, I have never heard of it.

Fear. Fear of civilian retaliation against the country's Satanic elite is what prompted the creation of civilian police agencies in the 1800's across the Anglo-sphere. Fear of the non-white boogeymen is why civilian governments have been able to so easily push forward firearms regulations and firearms ownership tracking laws upon the populace. Fear is how you've been ruled, manipulated, and exploited for thousands of years, because it works effectively, reliably, to keep you in line no matter how much it may otherwise irritate you.

@Typo-MAGAshiv

My point is philosophical. By the time the cops show up, the action is usually over. The people on the scene are the first responders, while the cops are the last responders.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

I don't see why last responders need better weapons than the first responders who have to deal with bad situations with no warning, yet here we are talking about giving machine guns to civilian cops.

Civilian law enforcement never requires laying down full-auto covering fire, anyway . Cops should aim before each trigger squeeze.

If I am not allowed to carry the sort of weapons I carried in defense of the nation (this isn't all that different than the M4 I carried in Afghanistan except it can fire full auto rather than just burst fire), I fail to see why a civilian cop would ever need access to it. If these things need to be on the streets because a very small number of bad guys have a lot of firepower, then we, as members of the militia, have every bit as much need for them as the fat Barrney Fifes who waddle around with badges.

So I guess what I'm saying is that if "last-responers" (cops) need machine guns, then certainly first-responders (the private citizens who are on the scene when a crime is in progress) need them even more. But the cop unions aren't in favor of "civilians" having the firepower they claim to need to deal with the same bad guys we face.

If civilian cops have some theoretical requirement for machine guns, either stop regulating them (like the 2A requires), or make the same rules for everyone. Maybe let cops keep them in a locked safe in the back of their vehicle that can only be opened by a supervisor (in person or remotely) who will be held personally responsible if Officer Roidrage starts spraying the neighborhood with lead.

If I'm coming across as having a low opinion of civilian cops, it's because I do. I've known a few good ones, but I've known far too many idiots, bullies, and scumbags to think highly of them as a group.