@Typo-MAGAshiv Waller, that was it. Yeah he came across much better than the others. He was defensive about letting Theroux closer into his personal life, and once he did everyone I watched the documentary with (not red pilled) agreed him and his wife were both quite happy with their lives.

I don’t know much about Waller at all, really, but I picked up on his insecurity being the bravado that he sells to young me is undermined by the genuine love he has for his family (it isn’t, but he seemed to think so initially).

But this is why I’m separating the red pill from the “manosphere” - the names you mention that Theroux failed to interview aren’t the snake oil sellers, and so not the subject being investigated. I mean I can see I’m splitting hairs in a manner, but I went into the documentary prepared to go on the defensive against Theroux, assuming he was going to lump in the respectable names by way of taking on the easy targets. To my mind, he didn’t do so.

@Typo-MAGAshiv Sounds like Theroux came from hislibtard bosses with a conclusion pre formed. He used to make good TV. He tried to get to the bottom of what people were like. He wins their confidence and then the truth just falls into his hands when he pauses in conversation.

In fact his Jimmy Saville documentaries were a good example, for all the attacking him for them in this one. Saville was a freak and a paedo but he was also adored by the British establishment as a great charity worker and was a knight of the realm. Louis gets close to him and while he doesn't quite show him up as a paedo Saville practically gives it away himself and he does show him up as a total weirdo who is manipulative. He only succeeds because he actually hangs out with Saville and wins his confidence.

Sometimes the freaks come out of Louis' documentaries on top -they explain themselves rationally and you see its the truth because he has got close to them and the truth has just fallen out.

He just came in to do a hatchet job on the manosphere, found some big easy targets and took them down. It wasn't a good job.

@Stigma Great post there. I agree fully with you there.

It was their insecurity that undid them. They should have been straight over the issue of the one sided monogamy (which was really a side issue from their being knob head grifters selling a fake vision of uber alphaness).

"Look I offer a lot. This is something I ask in return. Girls have a free choice when they get with me. I don't lie to them (Which is for a start better than many men and women offer their lovers). Its not like you like everything about your wife Louis. Some things she does and likes don't suit you but she offers what she offers and you took the deal both for better and worse when you accepted her. There is no such thing as any one's ideal spouse but these girls accepted us on these terms. They accepted the pluses and the minuses we bring. I accept that she snores/ can't bake/ has an annoying mother/ has a chavvy dress sense, asks X or Y from me or whatever. These were not deal breakers for me and this was not a deal breaker for her. If it is, she will leave and I will consider whether it was worth it to me or not. Its a big world, Louis, full of consenting adults making choices."

Instead to keep up their fake vision of being so alpha that girls just agreed to and wanted everything they wanted; they said "she wants whatever I want" Muppets! We all want what we want. We agree to live in a position where we are happy with the sum of the pluses and minuses. That's adult life. The red pill suggests, among other things, that men dare to ask for what they want from life not to follow gynocentric scripts.

@Stigma

the other guy

You mean Justin Waller? Among him, Myron, and Sneako (who isn't even RP at all, but just a loud and confused retard who somehow blundered his way into internet fame), Justin's the only one I wouldn't think of as remotely insecure. As for HS Ticky Tocky, I never heard of him before all this, but he strikes me as yet another blowhard in the vein of Tater Tot and Moron Gaynes. However, his pwnage over Piers Morgan was pretty sweet (more on this later).

Anyway, if that faggot-ass Theroux dude made Justin Waller look insecure, it had to be through selective editing.

Fuck, from what I heard about the "documentary", he was trying to portray Justin's wife (her name escapes me at the moment) look like a helpless victim. As if! She's all in favor of his fucking other women, and she sometimes joins in because she's bi.

But of course Theroux left all that out. He had an agenda to push.

Which is why he a) stuck to YouTube instead of the real Red Pill, and b) he chose the biggest blowhards and those be perceived as easy targets. He never contacted Rollo, or Rian Stone, or Rich Cooper (not that he's all that great, but he'd have made Theroux look retarded), or Aaron Clarey, or any number of other YouTubers who aren't total retards

Additionally, there was another guy he (Theroux) flew all the way to California to interview, and he ended up using none of the footage. The young man (can't remember his name, Logan something) held frame quite well and made Theroux look stupid, and the men and women at his seminar had nothing but good things to say about him. Can't push an agenda with that!

Rollo Tomassi and Mike Sartain interviewed that young man about this. I'll try to dig the link back up later if I remember.

@First-light I watched the documentary and the starkest takeaway from it happened to be how insecure Sneako, Myron, HS and the other guy all were.

Doesn’t help that Louis has the most unflappable personality going, he’ll ask a question and let it hang for eternity waiting for the answer. The fact they raced to fill his silence and their defensive answers was just embarrassing.

But, I would argue that what Theroux investigated was the colloquial manosphere as talked about in the mainstream. The guys selling all of this, the pyramid schemes etc. Louis was shaking the foundations of their business, which just so happens to be this facade of an unshakeable ego. Double kill.

Now if he had of investigated the red pill, he might have found the note sharing, thought provoking, quiet red pill that men come and go from.

I don’t see that we should share any sympathy for the targets of this Theroux documentary not least because they aren’t representative of the wider TRP knowledge base or actionable advice, but because they’re chancers and grifters getting rich off the insecurity they claim to solve.

Fuck ‘um

How to balance being the alpha and being authentic? In my journey the red pill main thing for me was finding my internal validation - first not being ashamed of wanting the sex second finding general internal validation instead of trying put myself in standarts defined by others. I understand that natural selection play to the benefit of alpha, but lately I try to search for my own validation more, i did boxing and military training got jacked, did some other things which were basically for my own independence in order to feel okay without female aproval which is most important thing for me as my agency and freedom goes. Lately I feel that being honest instead of putting game is less rewarding but feels more okay to me - like handling shit tests, I know the theory, but just I don't want to pretend to be someone i'm not in order to jump through hoops. Anyone had same thoughts? Is redpill more about internal locus of control or PUA stuff, I guess its both.